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              <text>Session 4E: “Widening Our Circle Among Communities of Color”&#13;
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with Rev. Dr. Jonipher Kwong, Rev. Loey Powell, Dr. Robyn Henderson-Espinoza, Nicki Valdez, Rev. Dr. Renee McCoy, Rev. Cedric Harmon&#13;
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Wednesday, November 1st,2017&#13;
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Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-jDg0oJJjY&#13;
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We tell the stories of how our LGBTQ movement expanded within Communities of Color, exploring how intersectional work can lead us to journey more together beyond barriers that have kept us apart in the past.&#13;
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Transcribed by: Ve’Amber D. Miller&#13;
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Rev. Cedric Harmon: So, welcome to this particular conversation “Widening Our Circle Among Communities of Color”. The description is in your program book. We intend to embody, in this experience, conversation. We also intend for there to be time for some question and response as well, but we're actually intending conversation.&#13;
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You will hear stories; you will hear truth tellers. You will see and hear an experience, preconceptions, stereotypes, and myths around communities of color being exploded. That's the ultimate intent of this conversation, to break open and bust wide open preconceptions, myths, and stereotypes around communities of color. Entering into such conversations is often clouded by those myths, stereotypes, and preconceptions, notions and ideas about communities of color. &#13;
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Especially, in faith communities because the communities of faith that we may be accustomed to may not have successfully fully welcomed and included the presence of communities of color. And we must recognize that there are communities of faith specifically and purposefully created to minister effectively to, with, and among communities of color. &#13;
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That makes sense? Ok. Alright. So, we have a wonderful panel, and I'm not going to try to introduce, I will invite the panelists that are before you to introduce themselves. I want to say one other thing and then we'll get started with some conversation, breaking open myths, stereotypes, preconceptions. So, to help frame I want to invoke the voice, the wisdom, and the words of a prophet, a spiritual guide, and elder. Of the Lord said the following “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive [repeats x2]”. &#13;
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Another such prophet, the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., said the following, “Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go out into a sometimes-hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism”. And then finally this, how many have heard it said that the shortest distance between any two points is a straight line? If you've heard that raise your hand, please. How many believe that? But the hearing of it seems reasonable, logical, even possibly true, but I didn't notice many hands going up indicating that they believe it. Have you experienced it as sometimes true? Is it always true? Blowing up wide open preconceptions, myths, and stereotypes especially around communities of color. &#13;
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So, I’m now wanting to ask our panelists to, in order, that you choose--I'm not going to like point you out--share around the notion of widening the circle around the LGBTQ movement, and there have been movements, and the experiences of places of worship as spaces seeking to be or having been welcoming places around communities of color. I’m inviting you to tell the truth of your experience. Is that okay? Alright. Who would like to start? &#13;
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Rev. Dr. Renee McCoy: My name is Renee McCoy and I’ve been around for a long time. I started out with MCC in 1976. As part of my coming to MCC, I realized that there were very few people who looked like me at MCC Detroit, and yet we were dealing with the same kind of issues that was coming out. But, for me, everybody was talking about being gay and gay was like way down on my list of things that were important. And as part of my ministry at MCC, when I came there, a bunch of us also got together started a group called the National Coalition for Black Lesbians and Gays. At that time it was called the National Coalition of Third World Lesbians and Gays, and I can remember the first March on Washington that we had, the first gay March on Washington, and we had a group that was in Detroit, in Baltimore, and DC and that was pretty much where it was and it was all of our faith though that brought us together. &#13;
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The thing for us as African-Americans was that when it came to human rights, civil rights, the church made sense it was the only place that we knew to organize from. And so, MCC of course, as we were in the church all of us who started NCBLG we were also connected with the church and connected with MCC. But we realized that it was bigger than sexuality and for us that there was some unfinished business that we needed to take care of as people of faith and all we had was the Civil Rights Movement to guide us. And that's what we did, and that's that continues to be the challenge in dealing with people of color or communities of color that it's not about your ability to walk down the street and hold hands or kiss whoever you want and now marry whoever you want. That there is an unfinished agenda that was never taken care of. &#13;
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And so, when I think about what we do in communities of faith and churches, that the church needed to take care of survival issues for us. That it's not about getting rid of racism, not about getting rid of homophobia, it's about how do we ask people of faith I'll help one another survive. Just survive. I'm not interested in getting rid of racism, I'm not, I mean it wouldn’t be a bad idea, but I'm interested in helping people of color survive and thrive and grow and be the best that they can be in the midst of racism. That's all I know, and so, it becomes issues of addressing violence in our community, not just for gays and lesbians, but for a trans persons and bisexuals. &#13;
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But for people period, that the challenge before us as people of faith is how do we feed one another? How do we cloth one another? How do we take care of issues of despair and hopelessness in our community? Those issues that existed way before we knew about who we were going to make family with and that still is our challenge. And so, for me as an activist my agenda was bigger than that. It was bigger than gay stuff. And the gay stuff, it was okay, it was cute. And you know and now it's really trendy to be gay, but it's not trendy to be homeless and it's not trendy to be hungry and it's not trendy. And so, the trendiness, we cannot stop telling that story. That's the story that we tell, if you dare to recognize communities of people of color, then you dare to recognize all that exists with them and all of that stuff. &#13;
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What my saving-- my hope--is always that when you look for God, you look for God when you want to find God, you find people who are beat down. And that's what God has always been from day one. When you look for people who are set for God, you look for people who are suffering, because that's where God is at work. And so, it's not about creating some kind of gay-lesbian faith community, it's about creating a human community. One that really, really addresses the issues that enable us to remain alive.&#13;
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Oh, I got two more minutes? Oh, man. &#13;
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Take three [minutes]? Take three! &#13;
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And, so I think that before all of us you know it's not about how do we get more people to color in our churches, but how do we hold our churches accountable to people of color that exists outside of the church? People of color that exist in the world, how do we hold people accountable? How do we hold--I love Isaiah 45. Where Isaiah says, God says, “I will go before you and make your rough places smooth and I will call you by name”, and so how do we call one another by name? Whatever that name is, that's where you find God. God has said, I will go before you so how do we follow God into a place where there is respect, where there is honor, where there is humility, where there is integrity; that's the challenge.&#13;
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I don't want to be the token person of color that you tried out for time to time to show that you love God. Show me by feeding so-and-so down the street, who I don't know who she or he is sleeping with, I don't care who they're sleeping with. What I care is that they don't wake up in the middle of the night terrified that someone's going to kick in their door. What I care about, and what I think the church is challenged to care about is, I'm old and so how am I gonna be the best I can be? As you heard the other night, I'm a survivor of pancreatic cancer. So, how do we get people in our community to know about cancer, and about breast cancer, and about diabetes. Diabetes doesn't have a sexuality. So, the challenge of the church is how do we get gays and lesbians and trans persons who won't go to the doctor, because they're afraid of what the doctors gonna say, how do we get them to get to the doctor? How do we get care? How do we feed one another, clothe one another, how do we take care of the least of us and join forces? I don't care, you call me a f*g or a bulldagger all you want but feed my people. All right.&#13;
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Nicky Valdez: I'm not gonna be that eloquent. Anyway, when I got asked to be on this---.&#13;
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Rev. McCoy: We need to know who you are. &#13;
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Valdez: Oh, I'm sorry yes. I'm Nicky Valdez and I was born in 1940. Now, in 1940 like I was gonna say, I feel like inadequate to be here because I don't think I really was always very involved in racial issues. I was too busy staying alive, my grenade shed. And being a little girl in my community I was voiceless.  What I said and what I felt was immaterial. You shut up and you sit down, and you hear you're not to be heard you're just seen. And so, I really in my growing up, things like going to school and minding my manners and trying to dip into my family in the Latino community in San Antonio. Because like I said back then being a girl, you know, and you hear all these little things. For example, if you're a Mexican, you're a no-kind and what that means is you don't have a vote, so you don't count, your opinion doesn't count. It doesn't matter who you are or what you do, you’re a Mexican, you know, and that's the way they used to say the word. &#13;
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So, as far as thinking about what changes or getting involved in my community, I don’t think there was, well there was the Blue Light, but there was very little organization in being Hispanic. They're always a very little organization to fight for rights, to stand up and say what you felt, and claim a place in society. I think for the most part my issue was when I came out, I had to wait till I was 21 to leave home because being a girl and you couldn’t get picked up and taken back home anytime. In fact, my father when I came out, decided he was going to talk to a psychiatrist and put me in the State Hospital because I was not all right up here. And I was so keen that there was a doctor that said, “Mr. Valdez, your daughter is okay, she's going to be alright”, and he wouldn't speak to my dad anymore, which is good.&#13;
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Anyway, my main concern was staying alive when I left home because I knew I couldn't go back. I knew that I was a lesbian and I worked in that circle that’s not really homeless, not really employed. I had finished high school but going to college was something that was like, if I couldn't support myself, have a place to stay, I wasn't going to be going to college. And, I did manage to have one semester, and I did real good in English, so I was very happy that I could quit my chance at college for that semester, but then I couldn’t keep it up financially. And, I couldn't go home and I didn't have a permanent place. I went from this woman that I met that I had a love affair with and then I moved in with a gay couple, Fernando and Leal, that owned the bar. And, we trade me having a place to stay for work and that's how I managed to keep myself alive. &#13;
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So, I think at that time like I said, I thought, “Well, I'm a lesbian. I need to do something about food”, and I was very connected to the Catholic Church. It was where I grew up, and even though it was racist-- we had to sit at the back pew. Just think, we sat at the back of the bus. The bus said, “Front seats are for white patrons”, and we sat at the back. And I remember when my grandmother and I would get on the bus, she and I would head for the back. And in 1952, I think they took the signs down, and I told my grandmother, “You know, we could sit up here”. And she said, “No, those are not for us”. So, you internalized all that and you don't allow yourself to think that you could be better than. Especially like I said in San Antonio, Texas, basically you're very Mexican-Hispanic community, and very attached to the church. &#13;
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So, I thought okay well, I need to get together with folks that feel the way I do about church. That we need to figure out for second, where it belongs, where we belong in that, and what the scripture said, and what did it mean for me in our lives? So, we got together and met in homes and discussed scripture and talked about it, and we did that until we found a place to meet as a group and the church didn't want us there. The archbishop at that time in San Antonio asked the nun that had given this space to move out. He didn’t ask, he told her, “You need to get that group out of the Catholic Student Center”. It wasn’t even church, but it was church property. Anyway, I think from that point on we met. We went on and worked at creating a space for ourselves. &#13;
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Robyn Henderson-Espinoza: As a younger person, I just want to hold these stories some space because those stories have created room for me. And so, I thank you for your struggle and for your words. My name is Robyn Henderson-Espinoza. I’m also from Texas, from San Antonio. I’m born of a Mexican woman, not of this country, and an Anglo father. I’m a light-skinned Mexican with white passing privilege. And in many respects, I have throughout my life have been in white serving institutions that have expected me to assimilate into a cultural norm, and act in a way, and behave in a way, and be socialized in a way that was unfamiliar to me. And in many respects, the LGBT movement has demanded that of me. And 20 or so years ago when I was in college and coming out, I noticed the presence of the absence of Latinx folks and of African Americans. And I sort of had this question in my heart, where are my people?&#13;
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And leaving Texas for Chicago and seminary, I noticed the presence of the absence of my people. And it wasn't until I began to say out loud the questions that I was holding in my heart; and naming the racism, and the ways in which the logic of white supremacy was functioning; and our movement that folks were awakened maybe to this issue or to this problem, right? Like, that the imagination, the norm that was in our movement couldn’t hold the complexity of who was missing. And that is a culture of whiteness, right? An inability to imagine who was not in the room. &#13;
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As a light-skinned person of color, I am able to say things that darker skinned folks aren't able to. That there's a different dynamic that happens when something comes out of my mouth, than what something comes out of a darker skinned person’s mouth. And so, for the past 20 years, I have been living in that in-between space of just telling the truth, and asking the questions, and living the questions, and really try to lean into the potential and the possibility of our movement.&#13;
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My survival as a non-binary trans Latinx is made possible by the struggle of Renee and Nicki, and that is important to me in the face and say out loud because without our elders, my people don't have the conditions of possibility. So, I have spent 20 years naming the culture of whiteness that is in our movement, naming the ways in which even welcoming and affirming movements. That that movement is predicated on a particular cultural norm of whiteness. &#13;
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So early on I began sort of bridging together the LGBT movement, and racism, and the ways in which the logic of white supremacy functions and has a repetition in its movements, continuing to marginalize people of color in really, really detrimental ways. So, it is true that trans people of color aren't going to the doctor and aren't receiving the care that is part of a larger socialization issue. And what are the ways that our churches are contributing to the ways in which our people, people of color, are not receiving the care that they need, right? Like what is our theology ethics saying that creates in the minds of people of color that they aren't--that they don't have the chance to be well and whole.&#13;
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I am a colleague of Monica Coleman who is an African American Process Theologian has been posting on Instagram questions of “are you ready to be well and whole”? And I think for people of color, we just aren't ready to answer that question. Partially because the conditions of possibility aren't made for us to answer that question. And that is the impact of the logic of white supremacy on our movement. So, I want to say that and sort of name that truth in this space. And that we are all complicit in it, and it sucks, and this is part of surviving the bullshit. &#13;
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The other thing I want to say is in my 30s living in Chicago around a lot of undocumented queers, I learned that I am possible in this country because my Mexican mother, not of this country, married an Anglo man. And so, the opportunities that were afforded me was because I was born in this country to folks who had documents that my mom received documents because of marriage, etcetera. And that undocumented queers face a particular challenge this ongoing diaspora, this ongoing being displaced, and the ways in which our movement cannot hold that. And that is another sort of impact of white supremacy that says who's in and who's out. And so, I have a real heart for undocumented queers and work with a colleague of mine in Atlanta, Georgia in trying to build capacity to respond to that pressing social concern. And we are not there yet. We are still on the way. &#13;
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I think that one of the myths of our movements is that because we have marriage equality, because we have predominately welcoming and affirming churches, that we've arrived. And I want to say that is a lie. That is a lie.&#13;
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Welcoming and affirming movements in marriage equality is about marrying the dominant system. It is about participating in the logic of dominance. That continues to impact our people. And if we are not working for what I call the politics of radical difference, where we can all be together in community--in deep, deep community--and really see one another, and learn to be human again, we will not achieve collective liberation. We won't; and that is a message for all of us.&#13;
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So, I know that [is] my time, and there's no need for me to reclaim my time, I’m going to pass the mic. Thank you. &#13;
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Rev. Loey Powel: Thank you Robin, and Renee, and Nikki. I'm Loey Powell. I’m with United Church of Christ. And I'm here--my personal context is that my life partner, my spouse, is African American. We have been together for 20 years. My family, therefore, is African American, as well. And her family is also white, but I want to say some things about what I've experienced in the United Church of Christ. I've been active in the coalition since the mid-seventies, and we struggled for many years to be a place that would be welcoming of all the gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans members and people interested in the United Church of Christ. And we failed most of the time. &#13;
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And there were a few years where at national gatherings we had intentional conversations about racism. About white privilege. About this, “We did our work. We the white men, and did white privilege”, and that people of color there met and you know talked about that, and we met then jointly learned from each other. And they were phenomenal conversations but the organization itself I think was stuck. And once you have an organization that sort of gets almost set in stone, you get stuck. When real change is needed, when real viable options for transformation are present before you and you just don't know quite how to do it yet, but also because you still feel we're not quite there. We still have so many issues to work on around sexuality. We have so many of this and how can we take on everything. All at once. [speaks tongues] &#13;
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So, I confess that that we fail in many places. Even though Bishop Yvette Flunder and other people color are on a panel for the coalition and maintain that relationship and participation, it's still stuck. In the United Church of Christ, we are 90 percent congregations’ membership of white people. We have…but what I tried to lift up last night in Paul Sherry's words is the movement of “we were confronted and graced”. Confronted and graced by people who came to us, communities who have come to us, that caused us have conversation. To be put in a place of faith that said we haven't looked at that, our eyes are opening. We hear you; we want to hear you; want to be with you. You are us; we are one. How do we move forward together? &#13;
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And the UCC has been a place that has not always done it right or well or fully or completely, but a place of transformation in and of itself. Especially, in our local communities. So, when the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries came and then the conversations moved over the years to a place where we establish a formal covenant, a partnerships with the fellowship, it was a true moment of joy because many of the members of the fellowship are UCC members now. Maybe the clergy are, not all of them are, and they bring to us a structure that is foreign to the history of the United Church of Christ. We don't have bishops, we don't consecrate bishops, and things like that. So, we have all of us been learning together to honor and respect and learn from our siblings in the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries in full and complete ways. &#13;
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And what I have learned that as a white person and I've known Yvette since forever, since before she started the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries, which was out in California beginning, just beginning to get refuge together. I’ve known her for a very long time. She was on the Board for Justice and she's been an active leader in the structures of the United Church of Christ, but what I am learning as me. Low-congregational style white person is to appreciate the multiple ways in which God is given praise and glory. We also have churches in…I mean we're all over as your denominations are as well. We have Latinx, LGBTQ folks, we have Native Hawaiians, and Pacific Rim folks, and Pacific islanders and Asian American folks, etcetera. But we don't do well, necessarily, pulling everybody together. And here’s the model in some ways and learnings from the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries can be helpful but we have to move sometimes from a place of intellectual snobbishness.&#13;
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Like our denomination has this white privilege curriculum to do in the churches and then what we use white people do is check that off, “I've got that, not there anymore”. Come on, god, every single day I'm confronted with my own privilege, my own racism, every single day, but I am NOT a person that is afflicted with white fragility. I hate that term. And so, I want my stuff to get broken through but I want me to be breaking through it because I see what I have done and I don't need to be told that gap is there, but we have our work to do, I know that. But I also know when I have experienced worship and community, true community, or the fullness of God's people with that beloved community that can come together, I'm given new hope, we are all given me hope for what can happen, and for the issues that can be addressed all those multiplicities of issues that the church needs to address to be real. Thank you. &#13;
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Rev. Dr. Jonipher Kūpono Kwong: I'm the Reverend Dr. Jonipher Kūpono Kwong and I'm proud to say as a Unitarian Universalist minister, and also part of my identity is actually being born and raised in the Philippines but being of Chinese descent. So, that was a little confusing to me growing up, you know, where do I belong and who am I? And coming to the United States when I was the age of 11 or 12 on a tourist visa further exacerbated the confusion because we were supposed to only stay for six months in the United States, but as y'all could probably attest to one cannot tour the whole United States in six months. &#13;
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So, we kept touring and touring and our tourist visa expired and we're still here so for a number of years I was actually undocumented. And what saved me during that time was I'm belonging to an immigrant religious community. So, I was a Chinese Mennonite of all things right and not the kind that you have in the East Coast where they drive around in a horse and buggy. So, we actually used technology and all of that but nonetheless it was for me kind of restrictive to go to a mono-ethnic Church. And it was also restrictive with my queer identity starting to emerge. I didn't really quite know how to reconcile the two together. &#13;
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And so, my older sister and I decided we wanted to go to a more multicultural congregation, and we joined Calvary Chapel. Which as many of you probably know is not the most queer affirming place on the planet, and that's when I was introduced to the Exodus Movement and several of you have heard about them. I was prayed for or preyed on by someone who had gone through the ex-gay movement himself and you know needless to say it was quite a journey for me to actually get to a place where I could reject that toxic theology that I grew up with and it was at a United Methodist Church in Santa Barbara, California where my heart felt strangely warm. And I hear a testimony today. And that's where I found process theology and feminist theology. That's really what saved my fundamentalist ass from you know what I described as contempt eternal damnation.&#13;
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I was actually converted in, a good way, and made a left turn so to speak. So, fast forward to a few years later when I moved to West Hollywood where I finally thought I could be free and come out as who I am and found the Metropolitan Community Church of Los Angeles. That's when I went to seminary class with Nathan, and I fell in love with Claremont School of Theology. That's where again I had another conversion experience. I was pursuing MCC credentialing at the time but the funny thing about MCC is that it too has its struggles with racism. I don't know if you all have cured yourself of it by now I was hoping that you would but…[laughs and audience response].&#13;
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Now, I saw Robin Tyler's article our blog or opinion piece yesterday but let’s not go there. So, I think you know well I was struggling with the fact that there weren't that many people who look like me who are also clergy and served in a leadership capacity other than people like the Reverend Elder Hong Tan, for example, who's a wonderful role model. There's also Reverend Dr. Patrick Chang but you know you can really count with one hand the number of the Asian Pacific Islander clergy, and I really to be honest didn't quite feel like I belong in MCC either with my radical process theology. Especially, serving the congregations that I’m serving so there's certainly that disconnect, and I felt like, you know, Patrick Chang once framed it this way. He said, “Jesus once said that foxes have holes, and the birds have trees to perch on, but the child of humanity has no place to rest his head”.&#13;
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So, then we really think and grapple with the issue of belonging. Do I belong here as an Asian Pacific Islander person? I thought about jumping ship because I certainly, theologically, felt more at home with Unitarian Universalism and I had seminary colleagues that had these great seven principles that were plagiarized right out of Process Theology, right? [Audience laughter]&#13;
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But I also knew that this denomination is 90% white, close cousins of the Congregationalist. They too were upper middle class, and I just didn't quite feel like I belonged there either. To be honest with you there are still days when I still wake up and feel like I don't belong to this denomination. Going through the candidate process, which is kind of like a prolonged addition in my faith tradition there were house parties. One of the questions asked by that group was, “Well, if we called you to be our minister, will there be a danger that we'd become an all-gay church”? And I thought, “Well, wouldn't that be fabulous”? You'd be the first UU congregation that's predominately LGBTIQ, but I told him I said, “What you really should be worried about is if you're going to turn into an all-Asian church, and that would be fabulous as well because you'd be the first predominately API UU congregation in the whole entire country”, right?&#13;
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Again, these days I still struggle with that, and I struggle with how to dismantle white supremacy from within because just recently we certainly had this hiring controversy within our movement that caused the resignation of our first Latino president Peter Morales three months before his term ended. It caused the resignation of the COO, the Chief Operating Officer, at the record of congregational life all because we still haven't quite dealt with the fact that we do live and operate in white supremacy context and the rules of the games are rigged. To be honest even me with [intelligible] has to wonder over and over again whether I got my position because I'm worthy and I have the experience and the qualifications for it? Or is it because of affirmative action? Or is it because of white guilt? Or is it because of any number of issues? So, all of us I think in leadership positions as people of color constantly grapple with not just a question of do we belong or not, but did we get here because of who we are or what role does that play in terms of our relationship with the people that we serve? I'll just end there. &#13;
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If I did not define myself, for myself, I would be crushed by the fantasies of those who seek to define our Lord. Once again crush; a crushing weight of knowing yourself. Your identities. All of your identities but the particularity of knowing your identities as members of communities of color, where there are dominant cultures that refuse to see you, know you, and seek to know except through lenses of stereotypes, preconceived ideas, and myths. It affects our ability to minister effectively; it affects our ability to belong and feel that sense of belonging; it affects our ability to be in a relationship; it affects our ability to simply make sure that everyone thrives, and survives, and has human needs met, and are understood, and cared for, and valued. This is what we struggle with, and if we don't struggle with it what does that say about us.&#13;
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If we do not stop dealing with it. If we do not do the difficult work of introspection and reflection, how can transformation come? Will it come? Is it what we want? Is it what we desire? Do we desire to check off a box and feel good, or do we desire actual transformation? These are the questions that we must confront.&#13;
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“Widening the circle”. What circle? Perhaps, it's a triangle or a rhombus or rectangle. Perhaps it's not a geometric form. Perhaps, it's a cosmic understanding of the divine.&#13;
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My name is Reverend Cedric Harmon, and I didn't introduce myself. I serve as the Executive Director of an organization titled Many Voices, a black church movement for gay and transgender justice, LGBTQI justice. We specifically named “black churches” because we had seen so many times how in many mainline denominations local programs have sought to do the work within denominations and then wondered where are communities of color.&#13;
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In my experience, my social location, where I grew up not unlike you, my pastor never spoke a homophobic sermon. My church never grappled with sexuality and gender identity. I didn't experience it growing up what I heard my pastor saying is, “Every one of you are gift from God. Every one of you, and my job is to help you realize that”. I saw my pastor minister to the person on the corner who had had way too much wine from a brown paper bag and loved that person just the same as he loved the choir director and associate pastor, and somehow, I believed that this is what God desires.&#13;
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So, as I came to understand more fully who I was and announced that I felt the call to ministry, the church affirmed that. My pastor affirmed it. I left home and I went to school in the Northeast and then gay and lesbian persons that were out and I went, “Hm, is that me? I don't quite know because gay doesn't seem like the right term because gay seemed like a character on soap. And that’s not quite me”. &#13;
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I struggled and struggled and discovered and discovered and came to know okay, this is who I am. I remembered my pastor back home still saying “You’re a gift”. So, I prayed to God and I said, “Okay, God, you’re God. My understanding of you, God, is that all things are possible of you. That nothing that is impossible. So, I have a question, if this is not who I am supposed to be, let me know because you’re God and if it's not then you will cause it to be something else”. And God was heard. &#13;
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I never prayed again because clearly if God had a different plan, he would have shown up. That was my belief, but I knew so many others who had prayed so hard as I gone off into the world “Change me, change me, change me” because the message they heard is you cannot possibly be a gift if this is true. There's something wrong that needs to be fixed for you to be acceptable but my experience was opposite that. This is not the story that you often hear especially around black churches, but my experience was that I believe that that was the experience other people had and I believe that we can have that experience for everyone. My color, I knew my color. I knew the experience of them and I knew that that presented challenges. I never asked for that to change. I knew that there would be challenges with that I was told you will have challenges around. Confront them do what you must do this is what it's going to be required of you and you're going to be called some names.&#13;
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You're going to be treated differently but allowed such an orientation and gender I did not have that experience of so many others had and so I put it to you today, this morning, in this conversation: can you imagine a different reality; and can you imagine that the stories of one are not the stories of all; and can you imagine transforming yourself such that there could be greater transformation in the world? Where injustice rears, rises up, shows up, can you imagine yourself stepping into that space to create something very different, the difference that is justice? &#13;
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And now it's your turn to talk with us having heard what you heard and experienced what you experienced. What’s happening for you in this space now? And just before you speak, take three real breaths. &#13;
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Unidentified Audience Member #1: So, this is this idea of thought has been with me and I hope they pass what's matter. So, I want to lift up as one who was a part of both disciples of Christ and UCC. This is just a truth that I need to say in this room and that is it’s problematic for me as a black man, a black queer man, whenever I approach the UCC, and I identify my and-ness that the response is “Do you know Bishop Flunder?”. And what that says to me is that that is our figure, that is our go to, that is our hub of resources.&#13;
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I’m thinking that I know that there are more people beside Bishop Flunder. Brilliant people along with her who aren't being cultivated, who aren’t being brought in. So, I needed to say it out loud because that becomes just an echo in reality that I think the UCC is failing on. When it comes to the intersection of race and LGBT identity.&#13;
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Powell: You're absolutely correct but there's a group of African American women in ministry who have been meeting who are pulled together by Bernice Jackson and Yvonne now for years, many years and they meet every other year. In the recent last three years of their meeting, more of them have been able to come out and be who they are either as trans or as lesbian African American women in their clergy. So, there are networks beyond fellowship affirming ministries that are providing incredible ministries to folks in the United Church of Christ.  &#13;
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Henderson-Espinoza: I just want to affirm what you're saying and we often fetishize people of color, both within our community and outside our community. And when we do that at an institutional level that also communicates a particular thing, which is wrapped up in white supremacy, as well. So, I just want to affirm what you're saying and that we're not there yet.&#13;
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McCoy: Just real quickly, I have to again also affirm what you’re saying but I was bridge pastor of a UCC Church for the last year and a half, for 13 month, probably going back into that again in a little bit. One of the things that I realized at UCC is that if you want to talk about race, they love that, but if you want to talk about community, you want to talk about building, you just want to be who you are, there's no place for that. I think the challenge for UCC clergy and disciples of Christ and MCC and all of that is to consistently talk about building community and seeing who we are. Also, what I realized is that as long as we stay in that box and allow ourselves to be in that box, we do not hold one another accountable for what we do to each other as people of color and everything becomes about race. All they see is the color of our skin, so we can go out here and kill somebody and we got a bunch of white folks saying they’re a murderer but they black so if you don't see them as murderers you ain't doing it. &#13;
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So, the reason that people like you have to keep speaking that truth is so that we hold one another accountable for what we do to each other because within that denominational context we're hurting each other. So, I encourage you to be batted. One of my things is I live by is “truth disarms your enemies” and as long as we can tell the truth, then we have disarmed the enemy and the truth is who we are, that we're bigger than that. Reverend Flunder would say the same thing, don't put me in that place, but denominations are comfortable putting the one or two black people that we have in that place, and I have big respect for her and she would not allow it either but we gotta keep saying it.&#13;
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Randall [Audience Member #2]: Well, as always Renee and Robyn said more eloquently, it's good to say and because of those things and because of what I often think of as the “Onliest One Syndrome”. So, the onliest one - someone picks you to be the onliest black person, and not only do they want you to be the onliest one, just drawing from Judith Butler, they want you to perform the onliest part. You can only be a certain type, my own heritage black person in the room, so the onliest unique one who's articulate but also I think because we're in a cross-generational space and I think when I observe both in academia and in the broader LGBT movement is that there's a moment now where those who have been in those spaces for a long, long time need to begin to open the doors for somebody else to inhabit the spaces and because of the onliest one syndrome, had to struggle to get somewhere in the movement, we sometimes don't do that. And I speak of nearly 60, that we just don't do that well and without intentionality, people saying there is this fantastic younger person who is doing this.&#13;
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Honestly, I hang out with people who are mostly in my age bracket these days, so I need someone to say who are these amazing young folks and let them go because it's often tiring to be speaking at every conference, every time, everywhere in the world and falling into the Onliest Syndrome. Those of us who are either younger and always asked or older and around 40 years and are a little tired we just have to actively say them at this time you choose somebody else. They might not say exactly what you want to script them to say but that's a really good thing because you've heard my rap about liberation for 40 years and obviously if that's not had any impact, so now somebody else needs to come in and tear it up and then you know where you you've worked through the conflict that raises and we might get somewhere. So, that's my only point and I think it bridges the two things that I heard both of you say.&#13;
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Dr. Henderson-Espinoza: I just want to say yes and the thing that I'm learning right now from someone who serves as chosen mother, pastor, teacher, professor is Ruby Saddles who says to me, every time we talk or every time I'm in New York, “we have to reimagine leadership in this moment”. That we cannot do the grandstanding leadership anymore that is not how we're gonna move the movement. So, I just want to say yes, and we have to have these conversations on how do we reimagine leadership.&#13;
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Randall: Can I just say I thank you for that and my response was not meant as a critique about the event. It was a critique of all of us. Just to be very clear.   &#13;
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Unidentified Audience Member #3: I'm not entirely sure how to find the words for this but I'm feeling a growing... Last night and today, and this may not be the space for it, but as a local church pastor most if not all of us I presume have some connection to a religious tradition that has a structure, we may have treasure denominational identities, and it comes as no news to any of us that “Church”, air quotes, is declining and dying. And it just feels to me that there's something in this conversation that is speaking to the passing of one way of being “Church” and we can become you know God's people in a different way. &#13;
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Two things that sort of are speaking today, and I'm not exactly sure how we'll talk about that and not even this setting or that setting, but you know we're religious folk coming together. We're gonna talk about the fact that church just isn't the wave of the future. So, two things that I heard here from Renee calling our community to account for those in our immediate community, that feels like the future. That it's more about the people who are not sitting their butts in my pews than getting them to sit their butts in my pews and there's something about evicting her more from Robyn if possible about the politics of radical difference and how that intersects with theology. That is part of a change for all of us. &#13;
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Harmon: Thank you for that, he said it well, he said it well because this transformation is imagining means just that, imagining. Imagining means also that old phrase, “abolition”, to abolish but not for the simple purpose of abolishing but to construct something new. That's scary often, it's unfamiliar most often, and extremely uncomfortable always.&#13;
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Unidentified Audience Member #3: Just because I preached on this on Sunday, Reformation Sunday. I can’t resist. I used the image of “are we at a broken pot moment or at a potter’s kiln”? Are we fracturing or ready to be transformed as something new? &#13;
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McCoy: It's about building community, for real, and for me as a black person you know my family had all of us work together, and I think we got to get there. I’m old, but brother I want to work with you cuz you got energy, but I can send you checks, I can be with you, I can hold you when you're scared. We didn't have that, did we Randall? We did not have anybody&#13;
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Randall [Audience Member #2]: I had you! &#13;
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McCoy: You had me? Yeah, but I always knew, man, that the next step was for me to be there and hold you when you're scared. Nobody held me when I was scared but that's what we are called to do and that's what community was and that's what the black family is for me. &#13;
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Henderson-Espinoza: So, just quickly, just to address your question on the politics around difference. Two things: one is I am transit theologian of Ephesus so I what I've talked about the politics around difference. I'm thinking how do we shift our theology and social practices to reflect the thing that Renee is talking about which is building community. And then two, I did a film for Work of the People last year and this is 2016, and that film is on the politics around difference and it's around 12 minutes and it is on my website which is irobyn.com. &#13;
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I think the third thing I will say is difference is not the same as diversity. Diversity is a code word for tolerance and that I learned from Dr. Lee Taos and we need to be real careful that we are not creating communities of diversity which mimic the “rainbow coalition” quote-unquote. It's less about having representational identities in the room and more about figuring out how to be human with one another because I think what I call the tyranny of the now, our present moment, is a reflection of our inability to be human with one another, period. &#13;
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We don't know how to be human with one another and so the politics right difference is my attempt to speak theologically to our moment of crisis. That it is less about diversity, and it has to be about difference and I can talk at nauseam about philosophically what difference means, etcetera, and the implication for theology, you can catch all that in the film. &#13;
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Powell: Can I just say one thing real quick? A couple weeks ago I went to a reception for the new president of Oberlin College who was the first, Carmen Twillie Ambar, who was the first black president there at Oberlin, who said this, “We can't be a place of differences but only the differences we agree with”. &#13;
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Kwong: I love Beth Zemsky’s definition of diversity. She says that diversity is where you count people in terms of you know are we representing the X number of Latinxes, and Asians, and blah, blah, blah, but inclusion is where people count. How we get there she says is through intercultural competency and I'd like to add cultural humility. It takes a lot of listening for us in order to be able to truly understand the humanity in the other. It's interesting how I brought this up, Nathan, because last night as we were singing “Our Journey”, I was thinking of the line or verse that was left out, which is one of my favorite ones. It's “Should the threats of dire prediction causes you to withdraw in pain/ may your blazing Phoenix spirit resurrect the church again”. &#13;
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This is gonna sound weird coming from a Unitarian Universalist, but I actually believe in the resurrection, not a physical resurrection, but I believe that resurrection is possible and what that looks like in my humble opinion is to be centered. The things that we've centered in Christianity and in other faith traditions. So, it's decenter whiteness, to decenter leadership, what leadership looks like so that becomes a leader full kind of movement instead of just ordaining all these names and titles that I don't even know what the heck they mean. My apologies to the Episcopalians and they're “very reverent right” whatever, but let's get real here it's about the people and it's about making the margins attractive enough so that we would go to the margins. So, the church needs to get outside of itself in order to experience resurrection. It can never happen within the walls of the church these days, that's why people aren't coming, because that's not where resurrection is happening in our society these days, can I get an amen?&#13;
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Henderson-Espinoza: I'm glad that Jon brought up inclusion because the logic of inclusion demands exclusion, if we think about that, and we need to ask the question and he read or he quoted the verse of the hymn. I want to ask the question because if logic demands exclusion--I mean if inclusion demands exclusion, we need to ask the question “where does it hurt”? Where's the pain? I think that we're not often asking that question.&#13;
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Valdez: The Reverend a week earlier quoted something about what was executive intellectual snobbishness. I find that because I haven't had the greatest education in the world, so every once in a while when I'm hearing people, I hear them saying things that I think well if that makes me feel like, “Well, I haven't been around. I don't know enough. I’m whatever”. That term hit me because I think we use, with each other and against each other, that intellectual snobbishness and we need to quit that because we don't need to be so great that you make the others feel like they don't know enough.&#13;
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Audience Member #3: One of the things that I'm trying to figure out how to really phrase this. I’ve been thinking about this is that, I've been in this room a lot of times and a lot of different meetings, and we always say the same stuff but nothing happens outside of the room. And so, my question is Robyn I know in your classrooms you push people. The only two people I know on the panel are Loey and Robin and I know Loey what you have done within our denomination, but we still come back to the same questions, and the same statements. How do we move beyond this room, these rooms metaphorically, into a place where we can stop playing who's more oppressed than the other and recognize that there is a lot of intersectionality in the multiple oppressions that we feel and that we experience, but how do we work together to overcome those so that we do indeed create a different world, a different church, a different room, a different on, and on, and on?&#13;
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Harmon: And we have three minutes. So, I need to get the other questions in, let’s try that, and then let’s see what we can do. Will that work? Okay.&#13;
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Scott [Audience Member #4]: Hello, I'm Scott and I'm a Unitarian Universalist, so that’s the church I’m a part of. I came to Unitarian Universalism because of being transgender, but I'm also a surviving active transgender community leader in the Appalachian community, where I came from. That's somehow working out for me and my church, it didn't work out very well to start with but it's doing better now, and my question is about the overt racism that's coming out of my community and about the way the church is receiving what is often a lot of people very confused about who they are and the church coming forward and telling them that they're a bunch of Nazis. People coming in saying, “You will not replace us”, and people responding, “Go home, Nazis” and how that's playing out between the church, and my community, and conversations about inclusion, and you know racial and ethnic diversity, and who we are as white people who don't really fit in many of the progressive churches.&#13;
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I do not feel culturally comfortable in a union church, I would not feel culturally comfortable Anglican Church. The only reason I showed up there at all is because I'm transgender and I got shut out of my home church, in my home community, but now I’ve found my way back there and I'm finding that things are working much better than I ever thought they would. I'm wondering okay so what are the next steps? How do we help people find an identity that they want to have that doesn't culturally just make us into the same kind of white people as all the other white people because people are very much against that, but that isn't hateful of the rest of humanity? It's a very painful spot to be in but I'm staying here because it's working better than I thought it ever would.&#13;
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Unidentified Audience Member #5: Thank you there's so much there that we could explore. I just wanted to share around where’s the pain in the next generation. I'm here in St. Louis. I'm privileged to get to be in the streets for a lot of the protests and actions that have been going on. The queerest thing in St. Louis are the people in the streets, the gender non-binary, the genderqueer, and androgynous, asexual, young queer homosexuals. Fifteen to thirty hundreds of queer folks and we were just at a self-care day the other day, my friend Tori and I, and we looked around where 7/8 of the room were visibly queer folks in there. So very much what we've been saying, I hope that's a little helpful and hopeful because where is the pain with the pain right here are black people are being murdered, that's where the pain is. We as queer people, again that falls down the list when black people are being murdered just for their skin. If we have vital real presence, the queer folks are there.&#13;
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Unidentified Audience Member #6: As we're celebrating a phenomenal movement we made in basically one lifetime, we're still alive with the LGBT inclusion in institutional Christian churches. The reality continues that around issues of race we're just back a thousand years and I think we just have to name that the issue of race is significantly different from the issue of sexual orientation in terms of institutional churches in this part of the white European construction of religious belief that has come into American, at least in our UCC tradition. Where we have phenomenally few people of color for such a progressive church that stands on race issues in all the right spots but just isn't there. This is so hard, I agree with you, it's like we talked about this dude we're blue in the face book week. It seems like now with the election we have gone back so far, so fast, maybe it's a tipping point. I don't know but there's just something I guess we just have to name. The gay and lesbian thing I think did come in under the Eurocentric marriage issue and a lot around that brought the welcoming and made us similar to what “us” was in the institutional Church was really not that much difference now between gay and heterosexual but there's still this huge chasm among race and we somehow have to be able to come about this in a new way.&#13;
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Harmon: There's never, ever enough time. And yet there's an abundance of time. Some of our panelists had to leave because they had other engagements, flights to catch. I wanted to say that the question of what happens beyond this room is in fact what's happening in the streets of our cities and towns and in small rural communities that never get the press because it doesn't fit with the prevailing merit. What we must find a way to do is be a community where change and transformation is actually happening. We are more connected and yet more disconnected than we've ever been. We must find the ways where there are these limbers of green sheets popping up every damn where, and go there and help nourish and water so that they flourish in whatever way you can add nourishment. Put your body there, put your money there, put your time there, tell the damn story. Whatever you have to do, we have to make clear transformation is possible, is happening, we must make it wider. That perhaps is the circle we're hoping to widen. Thank you.</text>
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              <text>Rolling the Stone Away Conference: Session 4B Our Lives Were Forever Changed by AIDS&#13;
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with Rev. Jim Mitulski, Rev. Karen Ziegler, Barbara Satin, Bishop Zachary Jones, Rev. Dr. Rick Mixon, Rev. William R. Johnson&#13;
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Wednesday, November 1, 2017&#13;
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Video link: https://exhibits.lgbtran.org/exhibits/show/rolling-the-stone-away/item/1367 &#13;
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Together we consider the ways that the AIDS epidemic shaped and continues to shape our analysis of how race, class, gender, and religion form and deform our lives and the social fabric. We consider how our feelings and experiences of AIDS help us to discern what is going on now, and how to move forward in our spiritual lives and our activism. What does/did AIDS teach us about how to do an analysis of current events and how to shape our lives and activism today? How does AIDS put us in the heart of intersectionality?&#13;
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Transcribed by: Gabrielle Garcia&#13;
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Rev. Jim Mitulski: Our lives were changed forever by AIDS. Together we will consider the ways that the AIDS epidemic shaped and continue to shape our analysis of how race, class, gender, and ability form and de-form our lives and the social family. We will consider how our feelings and experiences of AIDS help us to discern what is going on now and how to move forward in our spiritual lives or activism, what does it [AIDS] teach us about how to do an analysis of current events, and how to shape our lives and activism today, how does AIDS put us in the heart of intersectionality. We appreciate that you’ve given enough time in the course of this conference to be here. We know that it was essentially, initially a conference about LGBTQ issues with sexuality and religion, a history conference. And yet I'm sure none of us are all flawless. HIV/AIDS is an interrelated topic. So we look at this past 50 year period. So we wanted to be sure that it was included and for those of us who are the panelists it served as part of our AIDS experience and we also know that there is significant experience represented in the room. And that’s why this is called a conversation. We are part of a planned conversation. We also of course want you all doing this piece as well. So we have some prepared questions that we’ll respond to and then we want to involve you in it. And for us it is about our pasts and as you’ll hear it’s also very much about the present. We’ve come a ways to make that point clear. First, our group chant. Act up. Fight back. Fight AIDS. [x2] But wait there’s more. Act up. Fight back. End AIDS. [x3] And then perhaps you saw in the news in the last just a couple of weeks something that brought a number of us back 30 years. What brought us back to the 30 years was that if you were working in AIDS politics in the 1980s, you might recall in California there was a state count, a state ballot proposition called proposition 64 that was sponsored by a politician named Lyndon LaRouche. &#13;
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Rev. Karen Ziegler: You know, I’m afraid we’re gonna lose this if we don’t turn it off because I keep losing this– &#13;
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Rev. Jim Mitulski: All right, which was about 14 people with HIV. So two weeks ago that failed. Numbers really don’t matter. Two weeks ago Benny Price, state legislator from Georgia had this to share, “...of partners tracking contacts, that sort of thing. What are we legally able to do and I want to say the quarantine word, but I guess I just said it. Is there an ability since I would guess that full public tax dollars are expended heavily in prophylaxis and treatment of this condition. And so we have a public interest in curtailing the spread. What would you advise or– are there any methods legally that you could do that would curtail the spread? Seems to me it’s almost a frightening number of people living there potentially carriers– potential to spread whereas over the past they died more readily. And then at that point they weren’t posing a risk, so you got a huge population of those at risk, then they’re not—” &#13;
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Rev. Karen Ziegler: Well you take away their health insurance so then they won’t be able to pay for their treatment. &#13;
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Rev. Jim Mitulski: You can find this online. It’s a livestream from a hearing before the state legislature in Georgia. Benny Price is a medical doctor. &#13;
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Rev. Jim Mitulski: We hate to do this, but she is the wife of Thomas Price of Health and Human Services, who just got moved or resigned one step ahead being removed from the Trump administration cabinet for his misuse of air. Private jets. So the fact that this discourse two weeks ago by a medical doctor in the state legislature for whatever reason is being used again or being tested out again or being used again and not being challenged in any significant way. May us all in our planning group realize oh this is not just a history piece this is happening here now again. So we didn't need that, but we just thought to get your blood boiling before we started, raising the temperature of the room. So I'm gonna ask each of us in one sentence—and I’m going to take a risk—to say in one sentence before our panelists do their introductions, in a sentence your name and why you came to this workshop. Okay alright because we're a small group. This might not go around all the way. Is there plenty of cord? And then when we get to the panelists, when it hits them, we’re going to ask them to do their longer first go around, which was your name, your context, your first AIDS story alright. &#13;
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Lynn Gerber: Alright my name is Lynn Gerber. I'm here because I'm writing a history of MCC San Francisco and AIDS and I'm here in part because I really want history, our present, and future to be in conversation with each other and I'm trying to learn how to do that with everyone here.&#13;
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Nancy Wilson: I'm Nancy Wilson, Metropolitan Community Churches. This is a 12-step group for people who are survivors around HIV and AIDS and Jim Mikulski once told me that someday maybe we'd have 15 minutes to process what happened so I'm here for that.&#13;
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Bobby Raymer: I'm Bobby Raymer and I'm a 27-year survivor. I have had zero viral load for well over 20 years and just here to be part of things and to talk about the past maybe and to kind of catch up on what's going on, I moved to Ogden, Utah in 2009 so I feel I'm kind of in a backwater.&#13;
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Aubrey Thonvald: My name is Aubrey Thonvald and I came because my hope is that, one to learn and to listen, to learn through this need, and then just to think about what I can bring forward through my organization for World AIDS Day.&#13;
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Jeanette Mott Oxford: Jeanette Mott Oxford and Empower Missouri is staffing the effort to reform Missouri's HIV specific criminal codes so I'm here to be inspired about that current work.&#13;
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Heather White: Heather White. I'm here because you all are amazing.&#13;
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Brian McKnight: Brian McKnight. When I was the mayor of Boston’s liason to the gay community in 1982, I started the first Task Force on AIDS in the United States at a city level. And there were only three cases in Massachusetts and people were saying you're overreacting and we did some pretty amazing work, including write the blood donation code at the time.&#13;
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Kevin Pilot: I'm Kevin Pilot, a 31 year survivor and just here to learn and to share.&#13;
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Micah Horton: I'm Micah Horton and I came into Metropolitan Community Church in 1984 so I was actually starting to begin ministry right in the AIDS crisis in the Metropolitan Community Church and I wondered where were all the Christians that were helping us, that were supposed to help us in this time and all I knew is at that point I was Gina and not Micah and we were the ones that stood up to take care of our brothers and sisters that were dying. And my first hands on was Darrell Stephens. He was the partner of a district coordinator, Bob Arthur and he had the AIDS virus had gotten to his head. And so I called him and said do you want to come to Montana and be in my home, and Irene Anaria[?] and I’ll take care of you. And so he came to my house on the 26th of May and he had died by June 12th, but I did all the care of myself. The church let me have the time off and they preached his sermons and I did full care totally crossed over, met his parents over the phone, and then got the arrangements made for him to be shipped back to Los Angeles where he didn't want to go because they put his brother in a nursing home. So that was my first hands-on with loving someone as they cross over and it's been a series of that since.&#13;
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Dwayne Davis: I'm Dwayne Davis and I'm here because you know well when I came of age, I came from age and was coming out the cocktail just changed that it was like I didn't really have to experience what so many people gone through. But when I became a pastor and really became a pastor to African-American gay, bi, MSMs [men who have sex with men], and the spread of HIV I just am in this place of frustration and trying to want to know everything that you all did and how you face this challenge because we have a challenge right now that I'm on the ground for in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and in St. Paul and it just it's very frustrating to see that kind of ignorance and I see it every day you know  just in working with people in organizations and government. So I just want to know as much, learn as much so that we can do that work and make some change the way the earlier generation did. &#13;
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Justin Tanis: My name is Justin Tanis and I'm here because I know I continue to be impacted by the trauma and the grief that I experienced in the 80s and 90s in ministry. I know that continues to impact me in both positive and difficult ways and because I still have loved ones who are living with HIV who I love very much.&#13;
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Alex McNeal: Hey everybody I'm Alex McNeal and I serve as executive director of More Light Presbyterians and I think part of my role as a younger person working with people across decades is to be a story sharer and collect as many stories and experiences as I can to reflect those back to churches that are trying to figure out how to welcome people, are trying to figure out how to be their best selves. And I often reflect about how much the experience of AIDS in the 80s has impacted our movement and I want to do everything I can to keep learning about that.&#13;
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Lina Lassroom: Hi, I'm Lina Lassroom. First, I second everything you just said as the younger person in the movement I think it’s important to remember the the trauma and also how we can continue to heal the generational trauma that's in our movement and to keep telling the stories of those who are no longer with us so that's why I'm here.&#13;
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John D’Amelio: Hi, I am John D'Amelio. You know AIDS is the most important thing in our history of the last hundred years and more than twice as many people in the US. died of AIDS then US [soldiers] who died fighting in Vietnam in the 60s and early 70s. You can teach the 60s and you always teach about Vietnam. You teach the 80s and it doesn't even appear in books about the Reagan years. It's insane. &#13;
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Steve Fourtner: I'm Steve Fourtner. I was Dignity MCC, now back Dignity again, living beyond AIDS and moving past all of that and saying let's look at the future. We look at AIDS and get stuck in it. We don't look at living beyond that part of AIDS. AIDS holds us. I want to look at further down the road.&#13;
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Rev. Jim Mitulski: Here beginneth our panel. &#13;
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Rev. Karen Ziegler: You beginneth. &#13;
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Rev. Jim Mitulski: So I’m gonna ask you to change modes slightly: name, context, as we did in our Zoom conferences, what was your AIDS story? It doesn’t have to be comprehensive, just representative.&#13;
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Rev. Dr. Rick Mixon: Oh come on I wanna be comprehensive. I'm Rick Mixon, he/him/his. What do I say? I'm the pastor of First Baptist Church of Palo Alto California currently. But for about 10-12 years I did AIDS work in Berkeley in San Francisco. I was— I did a PhD in Religion and Personality [inaudible] Counseling at GTU (Georgetown University) and my dissertation title which is “Learning the Language of Lament: On Suffering and Human Hold Us” deals with how gay and bisexual men responded to the HIV crisis in particular and what we learned from suffering and the capacity to— for the necessity of learning how to lament, to cry out, to name our suffering so that we could move on. And the story I wanted to tell— [inaudible] told us briefly— it’s in my dissertation, but it's just a story that came to me and stuck with me somewhere in the early mid 80s. I was trained in the Shanti program in San Francisco, which was kind of the premier training program for people who are going to do AIDS support work. Kind of a new agey, kind of spiritual training. And it was a tense weekend of learning how to sit with people at the very deepest level of their pain and their spiritual expression and just the deepest kind of religious, spiritual living that you can— living and dying that you can imagine. And so I was working at the Pacific's— I was a volunteer at the Pacific Center in Berkeley, the LGBTQIA mental health and support agency in Berkeley and I was one of the first group of people trained in Shanti. And I was sent out to see the first AIDS patient from Pacific Center in 1980, whatever it was, and so I went. I got all dressed up and went to Highland Hospital, the county hospital, to see this AIDS patient and of course in those days you’d mask and you’d gown’d and he was isolated in a room by himself. And I went in prepared to have this conversation of great depth and meaning. And he didn’t want to talk about that stuff at all. He had very practically served as a very practical down-to-earth kind of guy about what was going to happen to his apartment, what's gonna happen to his stuff and it was a huge lesson for me and learning to be with people where they are and not come with my set of assumptions, which I think we often tend to do. And it went into my dissertation in the sense of learning something about accompaniment, being willing to be with people where they are, to walk with people where they need to go. It's part of learning as [inaudible] Sutherland said back in the day, “The church has AIDS,” and for people who are willing to be open and to learn something about this, it did have a huge impact on those churches that were open to it and it did help to shape the nature of ministry and helped us redefine what it meant to do ministry in the church. Accompaniment was a huge thing. &#13;
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Rev. William “Bill” R. Johnson: [inaudible] I'm Bill Johnson. Was I supposed to say something else?&#13;
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Rev. Jim Mitulski: A little bit about your context.&#13;
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Rev. William “Bill” R. Johnson: I’m his.&#13;
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Rev. Jim Mitulski: Pronouns, context, tell a story.&#13;
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Rev. Jim Mitulski: Tell a story that’s the most important part.&#13;
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Rev. William “Bill” R. Johnson: It was July 1981 and in New York we opened the New York Times and read about this new disease and 42 men out in California and New York had been diagnosed with illnesses that were not normally seen. Not long after that my very good friend and a friend to several people in this room, Reverend Michael Collins was diagnosed with the strange new disease that had no name. And I became part of his support circle. One day I walked— he was in the hospital— I went to see him and I walked into his room and he was lying in his own excrement. There was a food tray out by the door. He was crying and very distraught and the nurses were not responding to his calls. And that is the day that I became that angry AIDS activist. Up until that time I wasn't quite sure how all this was going to dovetail with all of the LGBT work we were doing in the church. And you know there was part of me though that was sort of happy that this epidemic emerged. Don't over-do that when you hear it and that at least the AIDS epidemic gave us an opportunity to talk about sex in the church in a way that the LGBT conversation never had really gotten to. Now sex was really in people's— well people were thinking a lot more about sex because they were thinking about safe sex and what does that mean. And the church had to start thinking about if we're gonna protect the lives of people or help people protect themselves, we have to teach them more about sex and safe sex and all of that. And eventually I developed a course on safe, safer, and safest sex, which I gave to young people, to teenagers who lapped it up. No pun intended. But the thing about the epidemic from my perspective is you know there were not only colleagues and friends, there are relatives of mine who died of HIV. You know one day when the first person that I knew died I wrote his name on a piece of paper and I added— I created— I began a list. And by the time I left New York in 1990 there were 383 names on that list of friends and neighbors and acquaintances and loved ones that literally died. So the other thing I want to say before I pass the microphone is, and our group has talked about this, I came up— I described it yesterday as post traumatic grief syndrome. I've never, I've never gotten over the grief and I don't know but I ever will get over the grief that I experienced in my life and I suspect that that's a huge part of the ministry that has to be done today with literally hundreds of thousands of people and I'm not sure we're doing it.&#13;
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Bishop Zachary Jones: Thank you. Good morning, I’m Bishop Zachary Jones of Community Fellowship Church Movement. My pronouns are he, his, him, miss thing, girl please, or any of the other— No, not honey girl have you lost your mind. I actually had thought that I could avoid this conversation ever again in my life because I came to this work in 1987 when I buried my lover and common-law husband at that time. But I came to it because I came to the conference as a stand-in for Carl B and when I did finally arrive Mark had already assigned me to be— to this particular panel so it doesn't look like we can get away from it even when we want to because I am still healing. I asked that question in the earlier session this morning because to even dream or imagine a world, our lives, without HIV and AIDS must be just that the dream for some of us, but certainly to touch those who lived pre-AIDS, one can only imagine what that must of been like even with all of the challenges that they had. I guess I could write my story in my introduction and I'll say more as we move forward, but yes.&#13;
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Barbara Satin: Good morning I'm Barbara Satin with the National LGBTQ Task Force. I do the faith work for the task force. My involvement started way before I came out. I was on the board of the Regional Blood Center for the Red Cross and the Upper Midwest and was offended and traumatized by the way in which the Red Cross was handling its notification of people who came— were diagnosed and basically they had no understanding of the impact that that diagnosis was going to have on people. So they would send letters or they would make phone calls and just leave a voicemail saying by the way you know you have been diagnosed with HIV not realizing that you know in many cases people were living at home with families or they with people that didn't want to know this. So we started an AIDS Oversight Committee to try and work throughout the Red Cross to try and help them understand the impact that this was going to have. That was the beginning of my involvement. When I came out I have had the honor of being on the board of number of organizations including Serving with Duane and Minneapolis Nuclear Housing, doing work with the Aliveness Project, and I do a lot of work around aging issues. And I've been struck by the fact that one of the major tragedies is the fact that there are— people don't understand the fact that there are many people who have— who are now living with AIDS and living as old people. There's nothing wrong with the word old. Anybody from Moloch would tell you that. I was struck by an article in the San Francisco Chronicle about a person saying I'm the unluckiest lucky person in the world because I'm living with AIDS, but I didn't expect to and it's a challenge for them because they've lost support systems, they've lost financials, their financial resources. They just didn't expect to be old. And so that's a current focus of the work that I’m trying to do.&#13;
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Rev. Karen Ziegler: I'm Karen Ziegler, she/hers. I was pastor of MCC New York most of the 80s and what I feel that we witnessed during that time was really genocide because people started to die and die at accelerating rates and nothing was being done and we were just watching with horror. You know Michael Collins was also a friend of mine and we couldn't believe it. We couldn't believe it. A few years before I had lived in Philadelphia during the Legionnaires disease when a few white businessmen died and it was on the front page every single day. And that contrast did not escape me as hundreds and then thousands of men died and walked through Greenwich Village with their Hickman catheter. But the story that I want to tell is not one of the many many many stories of being in dingy Chelsea apartments with friends with uncontrollable diarrhea or the funerals or the suffering or the anger. What I want to tell about was one time when I was with a young man, David DeLuca, who was a cabaret singer. Gorgeous man, bright blue eyes, curly dark hair, and he was covered, his face and his entire body covered with Kaposi’s. And what I saw in him was— what I saw many many many times and it's really my dominant memory of AIDS, which was a luminous quality of his face. He just shone and my experience was that those young men who weren't afraid of going to hell— and there were a lot of young men afraid of going to hell whose parents had sent them tracks that said you are going to hell and you deserve this, but the young men who got through that we're not afraid. They were not afraid on the whole. They were amazing people who taught me such profound lessons of what it really means to be a human being. And on that day he looked at me and he said you know, I think I volunteered for this. He said, “I have the sense that this epidemic and our suffering and our death is going to change human beings and will create compassion.” And for that moment I just believed him because he spoke with such conviction. And just one other little story about him was he called me up and he was in the hospital and I knew he was very close to death and I said how are you and he said I'm excited. And I thought I misunderstood him because he was really close to death and I said what, but he said I'm excited I'm going to see him. And in that moment of that conversation on the phone the veil completely lifted for me because it had completely lifted for him. And it was as though we were peering together. And for me I think the reason why... why I don't cry very much it's because I think, I think that what was happening in those years that he showed me, and that other young men showed me, and then I learned about what death is and what human life really is became the dominant memory for me. And I just want to say one thing about trauma and I'm so glad that this young woman mentioned trauma because I've been thinking a lot about intergenerational trauma and about how young gay people are traumatized by us in the same way as children of Holocaust survivors who are traumatized by their parents experiences. And there are people writing about this now and I've been thinking a lot about post traumatic slave trauma and the trauma of people of color, and especially Black people in this country, in relation to that. And what I realize is that Black people in this country did survive so much trauma, but also lived because of that same luminous survivor spiritual strength. And that is our legacy to our young people as well as the violence and the genocide and the death and the suffering.&#13;
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Rev. Karen Ziegler: So I also really want to say that we are revisiting a time of genocide. It is completely clear to me that— and William Barber says you know the reason why they want to cut off people's life insurance— I mean health insurance is because the people who will die as a result of this are not Republican voters. And that is not a cynical statement. That is a statement of historical fact. This is what happened to health plans for people who had been slaves and they were discontinued when those people started voting and when people lose their health insurance they die. So I feel like that spirit of activism that was in ACT UP and that many of us participated in.&#13;
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Rev. Karen Ziegler: But that spirit of activism the people with AIDS, the people in ACT UP, the people fighting for their lives we have to fight for the people's lives who, look now there's a huge train called genocide heading down and you know we're on the tracks but so we're a whole lot of other people.&#13;
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Rev. Jim Mitulski: So my name is Jim Mitulski, and I was the pastor out of the MCC Church in San Francisco in the 80s and 90s for 15 years. So principally eight years I've done other AIDS things, but that probably has shaped my life more than anything. [begins to cry] Sorry. It started back then [points to another speaker] and it’s just been [gestures by moving arm in a wave-like fashion]. I hate this. So I cry all the time. I know, but I do I cry all the time. Three times a day at least. I haven’t yet today. So it was this morning’s now. And I didn't before AIDS so maybe I should’ve. So an AIDS story, I have to say it’s also shaped not only my life, but my spiritual life. This is not what I had to say, but I do think it has shaped my spiritual life being with so many people on a journey of living from the time I was in my 20s. Probably when maybe we were too young or who knows if you’re too young or too old, but certainly just affecting— I think twisted me in some ways, but I was not prepared in my 20s to accompany so many people, to do hundreds of funerals, which I literally did do. Saturday was funeral day. Sunday was Church day right. And the people that I was doing funerals for in the 80s were my age you know. Where does that— and also it kicked up a need in me for constant prayer. You know I went to a very liberal seminary, as they say a silver spoon of religion, and what characterized us as MCC students was we were— that we were churchgoers unlike our fellow students. That we went to church. How weird was that, you know, in the 80s that was weird you know. And I still— I go to Mass every day. How weird is that, you know, I'm not a Catholic anymore, but maybe once a Catholic, always a Catholic. Yeah because— I go and I sit in the back. I don’t take communion. I cry. I sit there and I cry because it's like it's high peace and I order my day and I feel close to my— to my Saints and I don't mean like the alabaster ones. And I know that comes from my AIDS experience. It's like this is the only way I find peace in it, when I pray the rosary. You know down at the hour of our death, that little phrase that you learn as a child, it was like a seed planted that came back to comfort me being at the death of so many people, you know, and not lose your mind right. Okay so there's one AIDS story. It’s a funeral story I told before, but you know you do all these funerals and what I love about MCC is we did not have a prayer book. We had the freedom to show Al Parker clips at Al Parker’s funeral. I did Al Parker’s funeral and darned if we didn’t show Al Parker clips at it, you know because he wanted to be remembered in his vigor, you know. And I did not learn how to do that funeral at PSR, I’ll tell you that. The funeral I remember— I did this couple’s wedding because we did a lot of deathbed weddings right, before they were legal. And it wasn't quite deathbed, but one— the first guy lived about three weeks and at his funeral, the first guy’s funeral, everyone got an orchid and because you want people to have something lovely when they left, something beautiful because it was not pretty. And at the door his lover, as he agreed to hold the door afterwards, his lover said, “Orchids, just like him, high maintenance,” and I just burst out laughing you know. And I remember Jerry, it was affectionate, but it was funny I mean it's pretty funny. Hey, your lover’s funeral, you know. And I remember the importance of laughter even in the midst of very deep sadness. And a couple months later, we had his funeral, and he had provided for this, and he swore me to secrecy, his lifelong collection of Fiestaware in the sanctuary. And you know only gay men have the cult of Fiestaware. They don't just like it okay, they worship it. It was all there and you know at gay funerals we did— we had stuff, you know like a leather jacket on a chair, you know the memorabilia. All kinds of them were doing it. So the queens came in and were like maybe I'll get some afterwards because that was what they thought. Of course they missed their friend, but it's nice to get a little bonus at the memorial. And at the end—he had instructed me to do this—I picked up a piece, so this is— you don't know much he loved this, and I broke it. The gasp. The Fiestaware. Then I broke another piece and I said let's all do this because—Jerry Robinson was his name—he said he wanted us to get angry. He wanted us to feel our anger, nothing pretty. Like we did— I can’t remember [inaudible] at his lover’s funeral, you know but he wanted us to get angry and feel our anger. And so there we were breaking dishes at the funeral in the sanctuary. And that anger— also I felt it again this morning when Chuck Lewis talked about smashing the light bulbs. Oh I just felt so alive. Did you feel it for a second? So unassuming should the anger and I thought oh this is why we did this panel, so that we can see that and feel it. And that's kind of when you asked Dwane about, you know, how do you do this. Anger is an important part of it. Find your anger. I know that's probably dysfunctional, but I swear to god that is how I got through it— that and you know [inaudible] but I think my anger has kept me alive as much as medical science you know.&#13;
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Brian McKnight: I was trained as a buddy. I think probably a lot of us in this room were trained as hospice workers, as best could be done. And one of the men that I took under wing and brought to my home and spent time with, without me knowing it, asked his parents about if I would be the one who led his funeral, you know. So there are— and it was not unusual for people who were not clergy to be asked to be the person who spoke for them. And for those of you who don't know the time, what happened at the time his parents said to me that please do not say that he was gay or how he died. My first buddy that we buried, we had the same instructions: do not say that he was gay and do not say how he died. And one can get self-righteous in those situations and defy the will of the parents or you can figure out a way to do what needs to be done without anybody getting upset. So the second guy that I spoke for was a florist and his gay friends were back of the room and his great-aunts were in front of the room. And I talked about his uniqueness as a flower and how in bouquets you know we all come in different shapes and colors and sizes and the gay men were nodding their heads in the back of the room, the aunts we're thinking that this was quite colorful, how sweet. But it wasn't a time in which— in San Francisco was different than Boston, New York was different than Boston, and Boston was different than Cleveland, and you did what you could do and needed to do where you were with the needs of the people that you said you were there to help. So I didn't get angry. It's not my style, it's just never been. I do go underwater and scream. That's my scream room: water. But going to the question the man in the back asked about how do you handle the situation. We didn't have ACT UP in Boston because we kept the community informed from day one. I wrote a weekly column. I started a column to the gay community of Boston telling them what was— we knew— what we knew you know. What was the name, why was it called this, you know, what did— what do we think is going on, so that people didn't live in a vacuum of no information. And so the dynamics of a community, I think, create how you respond. But it's important to know that at that time, you just didn't talk about it without knowing or feeling that the needs of the parents and the needs of the family had to be taken into consideration.&#13;
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Megan also took a position as director of a ministry to homeless persons, Welcome Ministry housed in Old First Presbyterian Church, San Francisco. She continues to serve that ministry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While at PLTS Megan was one of a few openly gay seminarians and witnessed many people being closeted as a result of church policy, social stigma, or intersecting issues such as document and visa status. Megan decided to transfer to the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley, California in 2004. At this time 70% of PSR’s student body identified as LGBTQIA which felt like a stronger community for Megan to be studying within.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Megan was one of the pastors to participate in the extraordinary candidacy process in the ECLA. Megan was ordained in 2006 and was the first person to openly identify as transgender in this candidacy process. During this time the ECLA expelled and censured several congregations in San Francisco for participating in the extraordinary candidacy process to ordain, affirm, or call LGBTQ pastors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2009, Megan attended the ELCA Churchwide Assembly in Minneapolis and slept on the streets to raise awareness of experiences of homelessness. Megan spoke to the Assembly about how many homeless youth had come to San Francisco to escape religious persecution in their towns of origin. Erma Wolf, the founder of Word Alone (an anti-gay organization), approached Megan at the Assembly. Erma told Megan that if the church focused on ministries such as Megan’s, it would be going in the right direction. 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&lt;p&gt;Upon completion of this degree in 1971, she began working for the Regional Center for the Developmentally Disabled and transitioned to a position as a psychiatric social worker for the Martin Luther King, Jr. Hospital in South Central Los Angeles, CA. As part of her job, she was trained to be a sex therapist and eventually worked at a sex therapy clinic specifically working within the African American community. She later went on to receive a Doctorate in Human Sexuality from the Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco, CA. She was the first African American to receive this degree. As a part of her dissertation, she was able to create a documentary on black lesbians, which re-kindled her childhood interest in making movies. This passion culminated in her co-producing with Dr. Dee Mosbacher and Frances Reid, the acclaimed documentary “All God’s Children,” a film that dealt with African American values, gays and lesbians in the civil rights movements, and African American responses to homophobia.&lt;/p&gt;&#13;
&lt;p&gt;Sylvia joined the Black Gay and Lesbian Leadership Forum at its inception, and was not the end of her organizing on the behalf of the LGBT community. Sylvia worked with the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center as the Assistant Director of Counseling, and later as a Policy and Public Affairs Advocate. After these positions, she became the Manager for the California Freedom to Marry Coalition and worked state-wide to secure same-sex marriage rights for lesbian and gay couples. Because of her vast work for social and sexual justice, when Keith Boykin organized the National Black Justice Coalition in 2003 he asked her to serve as a board member and eventually in 2005, she accepted the position as Director of Religious Affairs, later becoming the Director of Research and Academic Initiatives.&lt;/p&gt;&#13;
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              <text>Randle R. "Rick" Mixon boarded a train in Boise, Idaho, in September 1965, bound for New York City and Columbia College. He rode with a half-dozen other boys recruited from Idaho. Along with the new metal trunk that held most of his meager worldly possessions, Rick carried a secret: he had known for some time, maybe all his conscious life, that he was attracted to males. There was little or no language for such thoughts and feelings in the environment in which he grew up. Boise of the late '50s and '60s was culturally conservative and was trying to live down the taint of the "Boys of Boise" scandal, in which it had been alleged but never proven that a group of prominent community men had engaged in sexual activity with high school boys.&#13;
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Rick's sense of self was complicated by having been born and raised in the church. His father was a Baptist preacher from Louisiana who served churches in Kansas, California and Idaho before his death at 47, when Rick was 17. Rick had a sense that he was called to ministry, but being a teenager at the time of his father's death left him confused about his place in the world. Even before he entered college, his mother had him on mailing lists for a number of seminaries so he could "finish his father's work." With a young person's natural tendency to reach for independence, in addition to struggling with some of his personal circumstances, Rick decided that entering the ministry was the last thing he would do.&#13;
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Though he did not "come out" during his college years, Rick did discover a wider world of cultural diversity and was challenged to think in ways he had never imagined possible. Not a particularly distinguished student, he sometimes says that he majored in glee club and New York City. By his senior year, he was on a fourth major and realizing that he had neglected to prepare himself for graduate school or a career. What he did know was--his anti-ministerial stance notwithstanding--whenever he chose a paper topic, it invariably turned to issues related to theology, faith, Christian ethics and the church.&#13;
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During his senior year, he gave in to the inevitable and attended a "weekend on the ministry" at Crozer Seminary (Martin Luther King Jr.'s alma mater), which was then located in the Philadelphia area. He discovered that intellectual inquiry and challenging social and cultural analysis were going on in those hallowed halls right alongside the study of theology, church history and the Bible. &#13;
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Even with the modern gay movement unfolding in Greenwich Village, Rick knew he wanted to be in the San Francisco Bay area, so after graduating from Columbia in 1969, he moved to Berkeley and entered the American Baptist Seminary of the West to prepare for ministry. Naïve at the time, he gave little consideration to the conflict between pursuing this career and his emerging sexuality. He split them into separate compartments and kept the door between the compartments under lock and key.&#13;
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Rick flourished in seminary, serving as student representative to the Board of Trustees and as student body president. He was one of a handful of students who really wanted to pursue parish ministry in 1969, when many students were enrolling in theological training to avoid the draft and to pursue "alternate ministries" such as counseling and social work. He served for 15 months as a full-time intern at the First Baptist Church of Seattle. There he first met gay friends and the door between his carefully separated "compartments" began to creak open. He realized that he might be able to integrate his sexuality with the rest of his life, but it seemed obvious that this would not happen in the American Baptist Churches of the early 1970s. He decided to finish seminary but not pursue ministry as a profession.&#13;
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Rick helped to found American Baptists Concerned in 1973 (the "lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered, intersex, queer, questioning and allies" movement within the American Baptist Churches/USA), and served as co-chair and staff person of the group for some 20 years. In the early 90s, that group spun off the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists, an organization of now more than 70 congregations that formally identify themselves as being welcoming to and affirming of persons with a range of sexual identities.&#13;
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After graduation from seminary and spending time exploring theater as an alternate career, Rick made a solitary car trip from Berkeley to Boise to visit family, to Seattle to visit friends, and back to Berkeley. It was on that journey that he realized he was running away from his call to ministry. One of his classmates was Bill Johnson, the first openly gay person ordained in the United Church of Christ. Given what he had learned in seminary about the need for trust in sustaining faith communities, it seemed fundamentally wrong to attempt to lead such a community without being honest about his full identity. Also, he knew he had not been given the "gift of celibacy" and believed it would be absurd to try to hide what would become his most important human relationship from any faith community he might serve.&#13;
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In fall 1973, Rick approached the pastor of the Lakeshore Avenue Baptist Church in Oakland, California, where he had worked as a seminarian and was a member, and asked to be ordained by that congregation. He had chosen this church and its pastor because they had consistently preached and practiced inclusivity through the years and they were integrated racially. The pastor, Rodney R. Romney, greeted Rick warmly until he added that he wanted to pursue ordination as an openly gay man. Despite some initial reluctance to take on this battle, the pastor and the congregation eventually saw it as the logical consequence of everything they believed in and stood for. For the next 23 years, this congregation (not unanimously) supported Rick's call to ministry and on three occasions presented his name to a regional ordination council of the American Baptist Churches of the West. Each time the congregation's desire to ordain Rick was rebuffed by the region on narrow votes. In the last such vote in 1995, a majority supported his ordination, but by then the rules had been amended to require a two-thirds majority.&#13;
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At that point Lakeshore Avenue Baptist Church decided to proceed with ordination at the local level. (In Baptist polity it is technically the local congregation that is the ordaining body.) On a hot June Sunday--San Francisco Gay Pride Day--in 1996, Rick was ordained. The decision of Lakeshore Church was supported in various ways by another 25 Baptist congregations from around the country, making it more than a local ordination in a significant sense. Rick was likely the first openly gay Baptist to be ordained (though, with the great diversity within Baptist circles, this is difficult to verify).&#13;
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Though ordained, opportunities to serve were few and far between. Years earlier Rick had obtained a master's degree in counseling from California State University-Hayward and a California state marriage and family therapist license in 1991 in order to support himself.　He also earned a Ph.D. in religion and psychology from the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley in 1995. During these years he worked as a psychotherapist and adjunct faculty at Holy Names College (Oakland), Pacific School of Religion (Berkeley) and Saybrook Graduate School in Humanistic Psychology (San Francisco.)&#13;
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In 2000, Rick was called as interim pastor of Dolores Street Baptist Church in San Francisco where he served for 13 months. In March 2004, he left the Bay Area after 35 years to assume the interim pastorate of the First Baptist Church of Granville, Ohio, where he served for 2.5 years. In July of 2006 he became Senior Pastor of the First Baptist Church of Palo Alto, Calif., where he continues to serve. He has continued his witness for lgbtq&amp;q folks over the years, recently speaking out against Proposition 8 which opposed same sex marriage in California and serving on an Arcus Foundation funded planning group to strengthen the witness to and for lgbtq&amp;q people within the Alliance of Baptists, the Baptist Peace Fellowship of North America, the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists and the wider Baptist world. Currently, he serves on the boards of the Council of Churches of Santa Clara County, the board of the Alliance of Baptists, on which he chairs the Ecumenical and Interfaith Relations Committee, and the Pacific Coast Baptist Association, which he serves as President. He also sings with The Choral Project in San Jose. Publications include "Response to ‘The Bible and Sexuality’: Reflections" in The American Baptist Quarterly, Volume XII, Number 4, December 1993 and "Pastoral Care of Gay Men" in The Care of Men, Christie Cozad Neuger and James Newton Poling, editors, Abingdon, 1997.&#13;
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His father was a Baptist preacher from Louisiana who served churches in Kansas, California and Idaho before his death at 47, when Rick was 17. Rick had a sense that he was called to ministry, but being a teenager at the time of his father's death left him confused about his place in the world. Even before he entered college, his mother had him on mailing lists for a number of seminaries so he could "finish his father's work." With a young person's natural tendency to reach for independence, in addition to struggling with some of his personal circumstances, Rick decided that entering the ministry was the last thing he would do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though he did not "come out" during his college years, Rick did discover a wider world of cultural diversity and was challenged to think in ways he had never imagined possible. Not a particularly distinguished student, he sometimes says that he majored in glee club and New York City. By his senior year, he was on a fourth major and realizing that he had neglected to prepare himself for graduate school or a career. What he did know was--his anti-ministerial stance notwithstanding--whenever he chose a paper topic, it invariably turned to issues related to theology, faith, Christian ethics and the church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;During his senior year, he gave in to the inevitable and attended a "weekend on the ministry" at Crozer Seminary (Martin Luther King Jr.'s alma mater), which was then located in the Philadelphia area. He discovered that intellectual inquiry and challenging social and cultural analysis were going on in those hallowed halls right alongside the study of theology, church history and the Bible. &lt;br /&gt;　&lt;br /&gt;Even with the modern gay movement unfolding in Greenwich Village, Rick knew he wanted to be in the San Francisco Bay area, so after graduating from Columbia in 1969, he moved to Berkeley and entered the American Baptist Seminary of the West to prepare for ministry. Naïve at the time, he gave little consideration to the conflict between pursuing this career and his emerging sexuality. He split them into separate compartments and kept the door between the compartments under lock and key.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rick flourished in seminary, serving as student representative to the Board of Trustees and as student body president. He was one of a handful of students who really wanted to pursue parish ministry in 1969, when many students were enrolling in theological training to avoid the draft and to pursue "alternate ministries" such as counseling and social work. He served for 15 months as a full-time intern at the First Baptist Church of Seattle. There he first met gay friends and the door between his carefully separated "compartments" began to creak open. He realized that he might be able to integrate his sexuality with the rest of his life, but it seemed obvious that this would not happen in the American Baptist Churches of the early 1970s. He decided to finish seminary but not pursue ministry as a profession.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rick helped to found American Baptists Concerned in 1973 (the "lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered, intersex, queer, questioning and allies" movement within the American Baptist Churches/USA), and served as co-chair and staff person of the group for some 20 years. In the early 90s, that group spun off the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists, an organization of now more than 70 congregations that formally identify themselves as being welcoming to and affirming of persons with a range of sexual identities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After graduation from seminary and spending time exploring theater as an alternate career, Rick made a solitary car trip from Berkeley to Boise to visit family, to Seattle to visit friends, and back to Berkeley. It was on that journey that he realized he was running away from his call to ministry. One of his classmates was Bill Johnson, the first openly gay person ordained in the United Church of Christ. Given what he had learned in seminary about the need for trust in sustaining faith communities, it seemed fundamentally wrong to attempt to lead such a community without being honest about his full identity. Also, he knew he had not been given the "gift of celibacy" and believed it would be absurd to try to hide what would become his most important human relationship from any faith community he might serve.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fall 1973, Rick approached the pastor of the Lakeshore Avenue Baptist Church in Oakland, California, where he had worked as a seminarian and was a member, and asked to be ordained by that congregation. He had chosen this church and its pastor because they had consistently preached and practiced inclusivity through the years and they were integrated racially. The pastor, Rodney R. Romney, greeted Rick warmly until he added that he wanted to pursue ordination as an openly gay man. Despite some initial reluctance to take on this battle, the pastor and the congregation eventually saw it as the logical consequence of everything they believed in and stood for. For the next 23 years, this congregation (not unanimously) supported Rick's call to ministry and on three occasions presented his name to a regional ordination council of the American Baptist Churches of the West. Each time the congregation's desire to ordain Rick was rebuffed by the region on narrow votes. In the last such vote in 1995, a majority supported his ordination, but by then the rules had been amended to require a two-thirds majority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At that point Lakeshore Avenue Baptist Church decided to proceed with ordination at the local level. (In Baptist polity it is technically the local congregation that is the ordaining body.) On a hot June Sunday--San Francisco Gay Pride Day--in 1996, Rick was ordained. The decision of Lakeshore Church was supported in various ways by another 25 Baptist congregations from around the country, making it more than a local ordination in a significant sense. Rick was likely the first openly gay Baptist to be ordained (though, with the great diversity within Baptist circles, this is difficult to verify).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though ordained, opportunities to serve were few and far between. Years earlier Rick had obtained a master's degree in counseling from California State University-Hayward and a California state marriage and family therapist license in 1991 in order to support himself.　He also earned a Ph.D. in religion and psychology from the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley in 1995. During these years he worked as a psychotherapist and adjunct faculty at Holy Names College (Oakland), Pacific School of Religion (Berkeley) and Saybrook Graduate School in Humanistic Psychology (San Francisco.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2000, Rick was called as interim pastor of Dolores Street Baptist Church in San Francisco where he served for 13 months. In March 2004, he left the Bay Area after 35 years to assume the interim pastorate of the First Baptist Church of Granville, Ohio, where he served for 2.5 years. In July of 2006 he became Senior Pastor of the First Baptist Church of Palo Alto, Calif., where he continues to serve. He has continued his witness for lgbtq&amp;amp;q folks over the years, recently speaking out against Proposition 8 which opposed same sex marriage in California and serving on an Arcus Foundation funded planning group to strengthen the witness to and for lgbtq&amp;amp;q people within the Alliance of Baptists, the Baptist Peace Fellowship of North America, the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists and the wider Baptist world. Currently, he serves on the boards of the Council of Churches of Santa Clara County, the board of the Alliance of Baptists, on which he chairs the Ecumenical and Interfaith Relations Committee, and the Pacific Coast Baptist Association, which he serves as President. He also sings with The Choral Project in San Jose. Publications include "Response to ‘The Bible and Sexuality’: Reflections" in The American Baptist Quarterly, Volume XII, Number 4, December 1993 and "Pastoral Care of Gay Men" in The Care of Men, Christie Cozad Neuger and James Newton Poling, editors, Abingdon, 1997.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(This biographical statement provided by Rick Mixon and was adapted from an article published in Columbia College Today May 2005)</text>
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              <text>The Rev. Dr. Pamela Lightsey, the first out Black lesbian elder in The United Methodist Church, was raised in West Palm Beach, Florida, in the 1960s. Her father was a day laborer and her mother a domestic worker with limited financial means. Her upbringing was filled with rich cultural teachings at a time of national turmoil. After Dr. King’s assassination, the burgeoning Black Power Movement in the U.S. led adults to instill in their children a deeper and more powerful sense of pride in being Black.  In addition to her parents, her godmother, an educator who was influenced by such scholars as W.E.B. DuBois, helped Pamela realize at an early age that the way to improve one’s life was to learn, learn well and to remember that your learning must excel your White peers to be considered on par.  This was the way of the segregated South.&#13;
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The religious affiliation of Pamela’s extended family was Missionary Baptist. They attended a local silk-stocking church of that denomination though Pamela’s immediate family attended only episodically because being poor, her parents felt it required too much of their personal income “just to be seen.”  So even though church was not so important in Pamela’s early years, her parents ensured that God definitely was. She remembers fondly her father cooking on Sunday mornings while quoting and interpreting scriptures for her and her siblings.&#13;
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By the time desegregation laws were finally implemented in the early 1970s, Pamela was among the first group of Black children admitted to previously all-White schools.  She was bussed to school starting her first year of junior high in this tense social environment and recalls sometimes being fearful to go to school. Yet she always found affirmation and support in her own community. At that time the Black neighborhood was not divided along economic lines so professionals lived alongside low-income persons. Her activism and commitment to social justice can be traced back to these years. &#13;
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After graduating from high school in 1977 Pamela did not know how she could finance enrollment in college. Her parents could not offer any financial support and she did not know where else to turn. So a military recruiter’s offer that the Army would pay for college if she only enlisted enticed her to do just that.  Only later did she learn that that offer of “free college tuition” came with a lot of strings attached.&#13;
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Pamela’s permanent duty station was Fort Lewis, Washington.  Prior to that assignment, while attending advanced individual training in Fort Jackson, South Carolina people learned that her oldest sister had been “saved”, was no longer addicted to heroin and had become a preacher.  Having no formal church upbringing this language of “being saved” and “conversion” peaked Pamela’s interest. She had arrived at Fort Lewis near the holidays, so she requested and received approval to take vacation. While home she accepted an invitation to hear her sister preach which pleased her sister who was then witnessing to the rest of the family so they could also find Jesus.  Pamela had a mystical conversion experience listening to her sister preach at that tiny Pentecostal church.  She returned to Washington and found a Church of God congregation (same denomination as her sister’s church) there in which she got very involved. &#13;
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Pamela was a gifted vocalist so she sang in the choir and also taught Sunday School.  She started to feel a call to ministry at this young age of 19.  Pamela started dating one of the much-loved ministers of the church and they married soon thereafter. The pastor of that church was a woman and just before the wedding she told Pamela that she would never be a good “first lady.”  Pamela immediately thought: “You’re right….I’m going to be a preacher.” &#13;
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Because Pamela’s husband was also in the military she decided, during her first pregnancy, to leave the military and therefore took an honorable discharge. Her family moved often: New Jersey, Belgium and Frankfurt. They lived in Europe for seven years.  During that time, Pamela continued to pursue her calling by singing and preaching in different military chapels. Her older brother was gay and had also served in the military, playing in a military band. He contracted HIV and died while Pamela was still in Europe. Pamela was still viewing the world through the Pentecostal lens and so blamed his death on his being gay.&#13;
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Pamela and her husband returned to the U.S. in 1991 and were stationed at Fort Benning, Georgia.  Pamela had finally come to realize that the racism and sexism endemic in so many Pentecostal churches was contrary to the way she had been raised and her core values.  So she decided to try a different religious path and joined St. Mary’s Road United Methodist Church in Columbus, Georgia.  The pastor at the time was James Swanson who later became a bishop.  Pamela’s marriage was also dissolving and the congregation and her family supported her through the divorce. The church encouraged her to continue her formal education so she went back to complete her undergraduate work at Columbus State University. She developed a connection with one of her professors, Dr. Horowitz, who was a bisexual Jewish man.  The divorce had been liberating for Pamela and gave her the opportunity to explore her own identity and being. In one of her provocative class sessions with Horowitz, he introduced the class to the Kinsey Report.  Pamela recalls that being an “aha moment” that helped her connect the dots in her past. &#13;
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The church also supported her call to ministry and Swanson gave her opportunities to preach.  Pamela enrolled in seminary at Gammon Theological Seminary, part of the Interdenominational Theological Center (ITC).  The ITC was an excellent setting for engaging liberation theology.  However, at that time it was not so strong on LGBT concerns and liberation. Yet conversations were happening and Pamela and some other students were at the cusp raising questions about human sexuality.    &#13;
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Bishop Joseph Sprague from the Northern Illinois Conference of The United Methodist Church came to the ITC on a recruiting visit during Pamela’s last year of seminary.  She had read up about Sprague and knew that he had taken risks on behalf of LGBT persons, even been arrested in a demonstration. Even though Pamela was not intending to pursue local church pastoring, she decided to meet with him.  In that conversation, Sprague essentially asked, “What can I do to convince you to come to Chicago?” Pamela, who was interested in further academic study and knew Chicago would offer such opportunity, replied “I need to be able to go to school and pastor.”   &#13;
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In 2001 Lightsey was accepted in the Ph.D. program at Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary (GETS) and appointed to be pastor of Southlawn UMC on the South Side of Chicago. Her academic interests were now focused on Church History, Black Theology and human sexuality, LGBT rights in particular.  Though her specific dissertation work was on just war theory, Lightsey was also writing, teaching and speaking on the intersection of her concerns about liberation and equality —in her congregation, at school and in other settings.  She completed her Ph.D. degree in Theology &amp; Ethics in May 2005.  The following month, she was ordained elder in the Northern Illinois Annual Conference. Her commitment to children and their families spurred church growth so much so that in 2006 she was honored with the Harry Denman Award for Evangelism from the Northern Illinois Annual Conference.  &#13;
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Dr. Lightsey was appointed first to be Dean of Students at GETS in 2007 and because of excellence in her work was later promoted to Vice-President of Student Affairs. In August 2011, she took the position of Associate Dean for Community Life and Lifelong Learning and Clinical Assistant Professor of Contextual Theology and Practice at Boston University School of Theology.&#13;
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From her position in academia, Lightsey has become a prominent activist, educator, author and blogger on a range of social justice issues.  Lightsey has advocated within the LGBTQ community for the end of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell military policy and to ensure marriage equality.  As a board member of the Reconciling Ministries Network she has critiqued Christian churches for their homophobic policies and practices. She traveled to the 2012 and 2016 United Methodist General Conferences to speak out strongly for justice for LGBTQ persons.&#13;
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As co-chair of the American Academy of Religion’s Womanist Approaches to Religion and Society Group, Dr. Lightsey has helped lead that group to exploring the theological and ethical scholarship and experiences of Black women in America. She was among the first members of the Executive Committee for the Soul Repair Project, which studies the role of moral injury in veterans.&#13;
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She was on the ground in Ferguson, Missouri in August 2014 to document and interpret the racial unrest following the killing of teenager Michael Brown.  She was one of the livestreamers recounting these impassioned protests against excessive police force and blogged to audiences around the world.&#13;
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Among her several writings Lightsey is author of Our Lives Matter: A Womanist Queer Theology (Wipf and Stock, 2015). Her recognition as an inspiring preacher led to an invitation to offer a sermon for publication, “If There Should Come a Time,” in Black United Methodists Preach! edited by Gennifer Brooks (2012). She contributed a chapter, “He Is Black and We Are Queer: The Legacy of the Black Messiah for LGBTQ Christians,” to Albert Cleage Jr. and the Black Madonna and Child (2016).&#13;
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They attended a local silk-stocking church of that denomination though Pamela’s immediate family attended only episodically because being poor, her parents felt it required too much of their personal income “just to be seen.” So even though church was not so important in Pamela’s early years, her parents ensured that God definitely was. She remembers fondly her father cooking on Sunday mornings while quoting and interpreting scriptures for her and her siblings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the time desegregation laws were finally implemented in the early 1970s, Pamela was among the first group of Black children admitted to previously all-White schools. She was bussed to school starting her first year of junior high in this tense social environment and recalls sometimes being fearful to go to school. Yet she always found affirmation and support in her own community. At that time the Black neighborhood was not divided along economic lines so professionals lived alongside low-income persons. Her activism and commitment to social justice can be traced back to these years. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After graduating from high school in 1977 Pamela did not know how she could finance enrollment in college. Her parents could not offer any financial support and she did not know where else to turn. So a military recruiter’s offer that the Army would pay for college if she only enlisted enticed her to do just that. Only later did she learn that that offer of “free college tuition” came with a lot of strings attached.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pamela’s permanent duty station was Fort Lewis, Washington. Prior to that assignment, while attending advanced individual training in Fort Jackson, South Carolina people learned that her oldest sister had been “saved”, was no longer addicted to heroin and had become a preacher. Having no formal church upbringing this language of “being saved” and “conversion” peaked Pamela’s interest. She had arrived at Fort Lewis near the holidays, so she requested and received approval to take vacation. While home she accepted an invitation to hear her sister preach which pleased her sister who was then witnessing to the rest of the family so they could also find Jesus. Pamela had a mystical conversion experience listening to her sister preach at that tiny Pentecostal church. She returned to Washington and found a Church of God congregation (same denomination as her sister’s church) there in which she got very involved. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pamela was a gifted vocalist so she sang in the choir and also taught Sunday School. She started to feel a call to ministry at this young age of 19. Pamela started dating one of the much-loved ministers of the church and they married soon thereafter. The pastor of that church was a woman and just before the wedding she told Pamela that she would never be a good “first lady.” Pamela immediately thought: “You’re right….I’m going to be a preacher.” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because Pamela’s husband was also in the military she decided, during her first pregnancy, to leave the military and therefore took an honorable discharge. Her family moved often: New Jersey, Belgium and Frankfurt. They lived in Europe for seven years. During that time, Pamela continued to pursue her calling by singing and preaching in different military chapels. Her older brother was gay and had also served in the military, playing in a military band. He contracted HIV and died while Pamela was still in Europe. Pamela was still viewing the world through the Pentecostal lens and so blamed his death on his being gay.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pamela and her husband returned to the U.S. in 1991 and were stationed at Fort Benning, Georgia. Pamela had finally come to realize that the racism and sexism endemic in so many Pentecostal churches was contrary to the way she had been raised and her core values. So she decided to try a different religious path and joined St. Mary’s Road United Methodist Church in Columbus, Georgia. The pastor at the time was James Swanson who later became a bishop. Pamela’s marriage was also dissolving and the congregation and her family supported her through the divorce. The church encouraged her to continue her formal education so she went back to complete her undergraduate work at Columbus State University. She developed a connection with one of her professors, Dr. Horowitz, who was a bisexual Jewish man. The divorce had been liberating for Pamela and gave her the opportunity to explore her own identity and being. In one of her provocative class sessions with Horowitz, he introduced the class to the Kinsey Report. Pamela recalls that being an “aha moment” that helped her connect the dots in her past. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The church also supported her call to ministry and Swanson gave her opportunities to preach. Pamela enrolled in seminary at Gammon Theological Seminary, part of the Interdenominational Theological Center (ITC). The ITC was an excellent setting for engaging liberation theology. However, at that time it was not so strong on LGBT concerns and liberation. Yet conversations were happening and Pamela and some other students were at the cusp raising questions about human sexuality. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bishop Joseph Sprague from the Northern Illinois Conference of The United Methodist Church came to the ITC on a recruiting visit during Pamela’s last year of seminary. She had read up about Sprague and knew that he had taken risks on behalf of LGBT persons, even been arrested in a demonstration. Even though Pamela was not intending to pursue local church pastoring, she decided to meet with him. In that conversation, Sprague essentially asked, “What can I do to convince you to come to Chicago?” Pamela, who was interested in further academic study and knew Chicago would offer such opportunity, replied “I need to be able to go to school and pastor.” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2001 Lightsey was accepted in the Ph.D. program at Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary (GETS) and appointed to be pastor of Southlawn UMC on the South Side of Chicago. Her academic interests were now focused on Church History, Black Theology and human sexuality, LGBT rights in particular. Though her specific dissertation work was on just war theory, Lightsey was also writing, teaching and speaking on the intersection of her concerns about liberation and equality —in her congregation, at school and in other settings. She completed her Ph.D. degree in Theology &amp;amp; Ethics in May 2005. The following month, she was ordained elder in the Northern Illinois Annual Conference. Her commitment to children and their families spurred church growth so much so that in 2006 she was honored with the Harry Denman Award for Evangelism from the Northern Illinois Annual Conference. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Lightsey was appointed first to be Dean of Students at GETS in 2007 and because of excellence in her work was later promoted to Vice-President of Student Affairs. In August 2011, she took the position of Associate Dean for Community Life and Lifelong Learning and Clinical Assistant Professor of Contextual Theology and Practice at Boston University School of Theology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From her position in academia, Lightsey has become a prominent activist, educator, author and blogger on a range of social justice issues. Lightsey has advocated within the LGBTQ community for the end of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell military policy and to ensure marriage equality. As a board member of the Reconciling Ministries Network she has critiqued Christian churches for their homophobic policies and practices. She traveled to the 2012 and 2016 United Methodist General Conferences to speak out strongly for justice for LGBTQ persons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As co-chair of the American Academy of Religion’s Womanist Approaches to Religion and Society Group, Dr. Lightsey has helped lead that group to exploring the theological and ethical scholarship and experiences of Black women in America. She was among the first members of the Executive Committee for the Soul Repair Project, which studies the role of moral injury in veterans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She was on the ground in Ferguson, Missouri in August 2014 to document and interpret the racial unrest following the killing of teenager Michael Brown. She was one of the livestreamers recounting these impassioned protests against excessive police force and blogged to audiences around the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Among her several writings Lightsey is author of &lt;em&gt;Our Lives Matter: A Womanist Queer Theology&lt;/em&gt; (Wipf and Stock, 2015). Her recognition as an inspiring preacher led to an invitation to offer a sermon for publication, “If There Should Come a Time,” in Black United Methodists Preach! edited by Gennifer Brooks (2012). She contributed a chapter, “He Is Black and We Are Queer: The Legacy of the Black Messiah for LGBTQ Christians,” to &lt;em&gt;Albert Cleage Jr. and the Black Madonna and Child&lt;/em&gt; (2016).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(This biographical statement written by Mark Bowman from an interview with Pamela Lightsey and edited by Lightsey.)</text>
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              <text>Marianne Duddy-Burke was born just after Christmas 1960 to Eunice (Scullion) and Joseph Duddy in Edgewater, New Jersey, not far from New York City.   Marianne was the oldest of four children in a typical Irish Catholic family.  Their lives revolved around extended family and the church. Some of her earliest memories involve being mesmerized by the rituals, music, smells and many people gathered together for Sunday Mass in traditional Latin at Holy Name Church. After Mass, Marianne’s family would often go to her paternal grandmother’s home for Sunday dinner.  Marianne recalls kneeling around the coffee table with her parents and siblings for evening prayer. A favorite family excursion was to her mother’s parents’ home in the Catskill Mountain area of New York state.  There Marianne could roam a dairy farm and interact with a great many cousins.  Baptisms, First Communions, Confirmations, weddings, and funerals were the rhythms of life for the Duddy family&#13;
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When Marianne was four, her parents moved to East Brunswick, NJ where they lived in a community that was in transition from rural to suburban. They joined St. Bartholomew’s Parish in the midst of the changes brought about by Vatican II.  Marianne went to school there.  Her father was a successful businessman in New York City.  He oversaw a trillion-dollar oil deal which was a first for its time.  But his alcoholism soon interfered with his life and work. Marianne recalls that she and her mother sometimes pored over paperwork from his briefcase in the evenings, analyzing credit reports and making recommendations to try to help him function in his job. By the time Marianne was in middle school, her father had difficulty holding down a steady job.  The family went from being very secure financially to frequent hard times.  All this resulted in a conflicted upbringing for Marianne.  There was a great deal of love and affection with her father.  But he could also be quite violent and abusive when drunk.   Her mother bore the brunt of this, often withdrawing into her room for days to heal from the beatings she received. &#13;
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Marianne loved reading and going to school and was a top-notch student. She was also very interested in the church and felt the call to be a priest from a young age.  Along with other children in the neighborhood, Marianne played games, rode bikes and played Mass and Confession.  Whenever she could, she stayed after school to help the nuns.  She regularly helped care for her younger siblings and other young children in the community. &#13;
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She earned a scholarship to study at Mt. St. Mary High School, located at the motherhouse of the Sisters of Mercy of New Jersey.  She received an outstanding education there—taking some college-level courses and traveling on a National Science Foundation grant.  She felt a pull to medical school. She boarded at the school for her junior and senior years, which allowed her to be part of the community life of the nuns.  She was enthralled with the religious vocation and expressed interest in joining the order.  But the sisters insisted that she explore the world, go away to college and have life experiences outside Catholic circles. &#13;
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Marianne enrolled in Wellesley College in Massachusetts in 1978.  This meant that her high school and college years were spent in all-women environments.  She went to college having no awareness of the possibility of a lesbian identity.  However, not long after arriving at Wellesley she came across the book, Our Bodies, Ourselves by the Boston Women’s Health Book Collective. This was the first place she read or learned about lesbian and gay identities and it spoke to her deeply.  She began to venture out to find other persons like herself.&#13;
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She continued her active religious life at Wellesley and by her sophomore year was president of the Newman Center group on campus. Although Marianne was only out to a few people at this time, rumors started to circulate.  The chaplain confronted her about being a lesbian and forced her to resign, stating that she could not represent Catholics on campus. The juxtaposition of finding affirmation and comfort in a lesbian community while being cut off from a faith community which had been so important throughout her life created much tumult in Marianne’s life.   &#13;
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Marianne graduated with honors from Wellesley. Not long thereafter, she read an article in the Boston Globe about Dignity, the group for gay and lesbian Catholics. The following Sunday she went to her first Dignity Mass with a straight roommate who came along for moral support.  Marianne immediately found that she was at home and has been involved in Dignity ever since.  This was 1982.&#13;
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Marianne had been vacillating between going to medical school or seminary.  She decided to apply to Weston Jesuit School of Theology in Boston and began studies there in the fall of 1982.  As one of only a handful of women enrolled, this was radically different from her past all-female school environments.  Given that it was unusual for a woman to have the opportunity to study there, she started out intending to be quiet about her lesbian identity.  She still felt a strong call to a church vocation, even the priesthood.  But she soon came to realize that she could not stay closeted. Such duplicity was not possible; Marianne could not hide who she was.  She recognized that she could not work for the Catholic institution with integrity, thereby being conflicted by being unable to fulfill the vocation to which she was called.  Gradually she came to realize a new vocation possibility—service to the LGBT community.  She secured work in elder care to support herself so she could finish her studies and volunteer with Dignity. &#13;
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She became the first woman chaplain for the Boston chapter of Dignity.  She facilitated lively discussion about inclusive language and women’s roles and rights.  She attended her first national Dignity Conference in New York in 1985. There she was appointed to the National Women’s Concerns Committee.  She has held some position at Dignity’s national organization ever since. &#13;
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At the 1987 convention in the Miami area, DignityUSA was trying to figure out how to respond to the Vatican’s shocking letter the previous Halloween which used language of “objectively disordered” and “intrinsically evil” in reference to LGBT persons. Prior to this time, DignityUSA had not taken a public position on the nature of same-sex relationships.  Marianne drew on her theological training to draft language for an amendment to the organization’s Statement of Position and Purpose which stated that sexual relationships between people of the same sex could be unitive, life-giving and life-affirming.  Following this publicly affirming statement, the pace of expulsion of Dignity chapters from Catholic spaces across the U.S., which had started soon after the Vatican’s statement was released, increased rapidly.  These actions positioned Dignity on the front lines of LGBT advocacy in the years that followed. &#13;
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In 1991, Marianne was elected vice-president of DignityUSA.  She had an enriching and productive relationship with president Kevin Calegari.  By this time Marianne was connecting with a strong network of Dignity colleagues and activists around the U.S.  In 1993, she was the first woman elected president of DignityUSA and served four years in that position. These were formative and lively years for DignityUSA.  Marianne recalls the discovery that expulsion from Catholic spaces was a valuable gift that enabled DignityUSA to become a stronger public voice and advocate on behalf of LGBT Catholics and allies.  No longer beholden to the institution, DignityUSA could more aggressively challenge the teachings, policies and practices of the church hierarchy.  This enabled and unleashed growing support from more Catholic political leaders and gave many parishioners the language they needed to voice their discomfort with the church’s anti-LGBT teachings.    &#13;
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Marianne met Becky Burke in 1994 when she came to Boston as a Sister of Mercy to study for a Masters in Social Work.  Their relationship flourished and they celebrated a marriage covenant with the Boston Dignity chapter in 1998. They joined their names as Duddy-Burke just before the adoption of their first child.  Marianne and Becky welcomed an infant girl to their family in 2002 and adopted her a year later. A second daughter joined them in 2008. Both girls joined the family through the foster care system, and the Duddy-Burkes advocate for the right of LGBT people and same-sex couples to become foster and adoptive parents. The family lives in Boston and enjoys a range of activities, as well as traveling together whenever possible.&#13;
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The DignityUSA executive director left in 2000 and the group’s fundraising efforts were faltering.  President Mary Louise Cervone asked Marianne to join the staff on a short-term, part-time basis to rebuild their development program.  The next year, Marianne traveled to Rome with Mary Louise, Mel White of Soulforce and other activists to hold a dramatic sit-in in Vatican Square to protest the Vatican’s negative teachings and policies about LGBT persons.  This action garnered widespread media attention around the world.&#13;
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After another staff transition in 2007, Marianne was invited to join the DignityUSA staff as the full-time executive director, a position which she has held ever since. Under her leadership, DignityUSA has transitioned from being primarily a support and sanctuary movement to being an affirming community that is actively justice-seeking.  She has helped the organization address the challenges seeing much of its membership and leadership aging and strive to discern the needs and interests of younger Catholics and younger LGBT persons and allies.&#13;
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In recent years Marianne has served as a Catholic advisor to the Religion and Social Justice Advisory Group within the Office of Religion and Global Affairs at the U.S. State Department. The Advisory Group assists the State Department in addressing how to support the U.S. goal of affirming LGBTI human rights in its foreign policy and development initiatives, and in understanding how faith and culture impact this goal.  This has provided opportunities to help foreign service agents  better understand the dynamics of faith in other cultures, i.e., to see beyond official religious leaders and get a picture of how religion is lived and practiced in everyday lives. It has led to interactions with LGBTI leaders from numerous countries who visit the U.S. on State Department study programs. This has even opened opportunities for training and education with staff at the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See, as well as with United Nations staff.&#13;
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Marianne speaks regularly at conferences around the country and internationally on issues of importance to LGBT Catholics and their families. She represents DignityUSA in numerous coalitions, ensuring the voices of LGBT Catholics are heard in Catholic and LGBT circles. She serves as DignityUSA’s primary spokesperson, and has appeared in thousands of print, radio, and television stories. She was featured in the video DignityUSA: A Conversation with Marianne Duddy, and her work has been included in several books, including Redemption Stories: Stories of Survival and Transformation and Catholic Women Confront their Church: Stories of Hurt and Hope. She is a featured blogger for Huffington Post.&#13;
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(This biographical statement drafted by Mark Bowman from an interview with Marianne Duddy-Burke and edited by Duddy-Burke.)&#13;
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              <text>Marianne Duddy-Burke was born just after Christmas 1960 to Eunice (Scullion) and Joseph Duddy in Edgewater, New Jersey, not far from New York City. Marianne was the oldest of four children in a typical Irish Catholic family. Their lives revolved around extended family and the church. Some of her earliest memories involve being mesmerized by the rituals, music, smells and many people gathered together for Sunday Mass in traditional Latin at Holy Name Church. After Mass, Marianne’s family would often go to her paternal grandmother’s home for Sunday dinner. Marianne recalls kneeling around the coffee table with her parents and siblings for evening prayer. A favorite family excursion was to her mother’s parents’ home in the Catskill Mountain area of New York state. There Marianne could roam a dairy farm and interact with a great many cousins. Baptisms, First Communions, Confirmations, weddings, and funerals were the rhythms of life for the Duddy family&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When Marianne was four, her parents moved to East Brunswick, NJ where they lived in a community that was in transition from rural to suburban. They joined St. Bartholomew’s Parish in the midst of the changes brought about by Vatican II. Marianne went to school there. Her father was a successful businessman in New York City. He oversaw a trillion-dollar oil deal which was a first for its time. But his alcoholism soon interfered with his life and work. Marianne recalls that she and her mother sometimes pored over paperwork from his briefcase in the evenings, analyzing credit reports and making recommendations to try to help him function in his job. By the time Marianne was in middle school, her father had difficulty holding down a steady job. The family went from being very secure financially to frequent hard times. All this resulted in a conflicted upbringing for Marianne. There was a great deal of love and affection with her father. But he could also be quite violent and abusive when drunk. Her mother bore the brunt of this, often withdrawing into her room for days to heal from the beatings she received. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Marianne loved reading and going to school and was a top-notch student. She was also very interested in the church and felt the call to be a priest from a young age. Along with other children in the neighborhood, Marianne played games, rode bikes and played Mass and Confession. Whenever she could, she stayed after school to help the nuns. She regularly helped care for her younger siblings and other young children in the community. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She earned a scholarship to study at Mt. St. Mary High School, located at the motherhouse of the Sisters of Mercy of New Jersey. She received an outstanding education there—taking some college-level courses and traveling on a National Science Foundation grant. She felt a pull to medical school. She boarded at the school for her junior and senior years, which allowed her to be part of the community life of the nuns. She was enthralled with the religious vocation and expressed interest in joining the order. But the sisters insisted that she explore the world, go away to college and have life experiences outside Catholic circles. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Marianne enrolled in Wellesley College in Massachusetts in 1978. This meant that her high school and college years were spent in all-women environments. She went to college having no awareness of the possibility of a lesbian identity. However, not long after arriving at Wellesley she came across the book, Our Bodies, Ourselves by the Boston Women’s Health Book Collective. This was the first place she read or learned about lesbian and gay identities and it spoke to her deeply. She began to venture out to find other persons like herself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She continued her active religious life at Wellesley and by her sophomore year was president of the Newman Center group on campus. Although Marianne was only out to a few people at this time, rumors started to circulate. The chaplain confronted her about being a lesbian and forced her to resign, stating that she could not represent Catholics on campus. The juxtaposition of finding affirmation and comfort in a lesbian community while being cut off from a faith community which had been so important throughout her life created much tumult in Marianne’s life. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Marianne graduated with honors from Wellesley. Not long thereafter, she read an article in the Boston Globe about Dignity, the group for gay and lesbian Catholics. The following Sunday she went to her first Dignity Mass with a straight roommate who came along for moral support. Marianne immediately found that she was at home and has been involved in Dignity ever since. This was 1982.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Marianne had been vacillating between going to medical school or seminary. She decided to apply to Weston Jesuit School of Theology in Boston and began studies there in the fall of 1982. As one of only a handful of women enrolled, this was radically different from her past all-female school environments. Given that it was unusual for a woman to have the opportunity to study there, she started out intending to be quiet about her lesbian identity. She still felt a strong call to a church vocation, even the priesthood. But she soon came to realize that she could not stay closeted. Such duplicity was not possible; Marianne could not hide who she was. She recognized that she could not work for the Catholic institution with integrity, thereby being conflicted by being unable to fulfill the vocation to which she was called. Gradually she came to realize a new vocation possibility—service to the LGBT community. She secured work in elder care to support herself so she could finish her studies and volunteer with Dignity. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She became the first woman chaplain for the Boston chapter of Dignity. She facilitated lively discussion about inclusive language and women’s roles and rights. She attended her first national Dignity Conference in New York in 1985. There she was appointed to the National Women’s Concerns Committee. She has held some position at Dignity’s national organization ever since. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the 1987 convention in the Miami area, DignityUSA was trying to figure out how to respond to the Vatican’s shocking letter the previous Halloween which used language of “objectively disordered” and “intrinsically evil” in reference to LGBT persons. Prior to this time, DignityUSA had not taken a public position on the nature of same-sex relationships. Marianne drew on her theological training to draft language for an amendment to the organization’s Statement of Position and Purpose which stated that sexual relationships between people of the same sex could be unitive, life-giving and life-affirming. Following this publicly affirming statement, the pace of expulsion of Dignity chapters from Catholic spaces across the U.S., which had started soon after the Vatican’s statement was released, increased rapidly. These actions positioned Dignity on the front lines of LGBT advocacy in the years that followed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 1991, Marianne was elected vice-president of DignityUSA. She had an enriching and productive relationship with president Kevin Calegari. By this time Marianne was connecting with a strong network of Dignity colleagues and activists around the U.S. In 1993, she was the first woman elected president of DignityUSA and served four years in that position. These were formative and lively years for DignityUSA. Marianne recalls the discovery that expulsion from Catholic spaces was a valuable gift that enabled DignityUSA to become a stronger public voice and advocate on behalf of LGBT Catholics and allies. No longer beholden to the institution, DignityUSA could more aggressively challenge the teachings, policies and practices of the church hierarchy. This enabled and unleashed growing support from more Catholic political leaders and gave many parishioners the language they needed to voice their discomfort with the church’s anti-LGBT teachings. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Marianne met Becky Burke in 1994 when she came to Boston as a Sister of Mercy to study for a Masters in Social Work. Their relationship flourished and they celebrated a marriage covenant with the Boston Dignity chapter in 1998. They joined their names as Duddy-Burke just before the adoption of their first child. Marianne and Becky welcomed an infant girl to their family in 2002 and adopted her a year later. A second daughter joined them in 2008. Both girls joined the family through the foster care system, and the Duddy-Burkes advocate for the right of LGBT people and same-sex couples to become foster and adoptive parents. The family lives in Boston and enjoys a range of activities, as well as traveling together whenever possible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The DignityUSA executive director left in 2000 and the group’s fundraising efforts were faltering. President Mary Louise Cervone asked Marianne to join the staff on a short-term, part-time basis to rebuild their development program. The next year, Marianne traveled to Rome with Mary Louise, Mel White of Soulforce and other activists to hold a dramatic sit-in in Vatican Square to protest the Vatican’s negative teachings and policies about LGBT persons. This action garnered widespread media attention around the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After another staff transition in 2007, Marianne was invited to join the DignityUSA staff as the full-time executive director, a position which she has held ever since. Under her leadership, DignityUSA has transitioned from being primarily a support and sanctuary movement to being an affirming community that is actively justice-seeking. She has helped the organization address the challenges seeing much of its membership and leadership aging and strive to discern the needs and interests of younger Catholics and younger LGBT persons and allies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In recent years Marianne has served as a Catholic advisor to the Religion and Social Justice Advisory Group within the Office of Religion and Global Affairs at the U.S. State Department. The Advisory Group assists the State Department in addressing how to support the U.S. goal of affirming LGBTI human rights in its foreign policy and development initiatives, and in understanding how faith and culture impact this goal. This has provided opportunities to help foreign service agents better understand the dynamics of faith in other cultures, i.e., to see beyond official religious leaders and get a picture of how religion is lived and practiced in everyday lives. It has led to interactions with LGBTI leaders from numerous countries who visit the U.S. on State Department study programs. This has even opened opportunities for training and education with staff at the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See, as well as with United Nations staff.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Marianne speaks regularly at conferences around the country and internationally on issues of importance to LGBT Catholics and their families. She represents DignityUSA in numerous coalitions, ensuring the voices of LGBT Catholics are heard in Catholic and LGBT circles. She serves as DignityUSA’s primary spokesperson, and has appeared in thousands of print, radio, and television stories. She was featured in the video DignityUSA: A Conversation with Marianne Duddy, and her work has been included in several books, including &lt;em&gt;Redemption Stories: Stories of Survival and Transformation&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Catholic Women Confront their Church: Stories of Hurt and Hope&lt;/em&gt;. She is a featured blogger for Huffington Post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(This biographical statement drafted by Mark Bowman from an interview with Marianne Duddy-Burke and edited by Duddy-Burke.)</text>
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